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[209.85.219.172]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x203-20020a81a0d4000000b00583b144fe51sm2798ywg.118.2024.01.10.17.42.08 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 10 Jan 2024 17:42:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yb1-f172.google.com with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-dbeff495c16so3436566276.3; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 17:42:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a25:d7c6:0:b0:dbe:1c7c:59e7 with SMTP id o189-20020a25d7c6000000b00dbe1c7c59e7mr503651ybg.89.1704937328104; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 17:42:08 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202401110049.40B0ntj0046904@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: <202401110049.40B0ntj0046904@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> From: Tomek CEDRO Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 02:41:55 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: noatime on ufs2 To: Current FreeBSD Cc: Mark Millard , olce@freebsd.org, "Rodney W. Grimes" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4T9S8L2bjwz4Wf1 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 1:50=E2=80=AFAM Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > Olivier Certner wrote on > > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 10:01:48 UTC : > > > What I'm saying is that, based on others' input so far, my own (long,= even if not as long as yours) experience and some late reflection, is that= "noatime" should be the default (everywhere, all mounts and all FSes), and= that working on "relatime" won't make any real difference for most users (= IOW, I think that developing "relatime" is a bad idea *in general*). And I = think this is a sufficiently reasonable conclusion that anyone with the sam= e inputs would conclude the same. So, if it's not the case, I would be inte= rested in knowing why, ideally. > > > > I never use atime, always noatime, for UFS. That said, I'd never propos= e > > changing the long standing defaults for commands and calls. I'd avoid: > > .. Very well said Mark ... > > Please folks stop tweaking defaults, especially long standing ones, > if you feel the need for noatime, set it, by all means, I have been > for 30 years.... > > .. what Mark said very well removed for brevity ... +1 :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info