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Tue, 9 Jan 2024 06:13:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 11:13:44 +0000 From: void To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: noatime on ufs2 Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <2eabfb91-afc3-47f7-98b9-1a1791ae6e7d@app.fastmail.com> <6714298.qJWK8QVVMX@ravel> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6714298.qJWK8QVVMX@ravel> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.69 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.993]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[f-m.fm,none]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.26:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[f-m.fm:s=fm2,messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[66.111.4.26:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[66.111.4.26:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[f-m.fm]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[f-m.fm]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[f-m.fm:+,messagingengine.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:19151, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4T8Swp4615z4fxp On Tue, Jan 09, 2024 at 09:47:59AM +0100, Olivier Certner wrote:i > So, to me, at this point, it still sounds more than a gimmick > than something really useful. If someone has a precise use case > for it and motivation, than of course please go ahead. The only use-cases I [1] can think of are either with an email system that needs it or with something like a webserver where there's a team of devops working on the web service who need elevated access and a couple of sysadmins who need root for their general job, and audit or similar is used to log these accesses. But maybe there are more use-cases for atime? but as has been mentioned, most modern mail systems don't need it and I'm not sure how much something like audit would. Do things like tripwire/mtree need it? It's an interesting question. [1] in my limited experience. i've only seen email "needing" it and that's only in some contexts --