From nobody Wed Oct 25 01:23:49 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SFWRF3xGFz4xnYy for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 01:23:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SFWRF3P6mz3bFV for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 01:23:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1698197033; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Ke3reZhmfRRCH99FC70f/WKCiIfyslpKZ8IR7WBVHI4=; b=ScclfXWKkQ/LmUV+i73Bo1de+Y5mSfB0btt8mFUfMktXykzIqdce3bMKhpsB1PfROfFbJk 8OgR/L+6O482WRBxbGBxPnq4cMcjjxi5Sjg3n/TttgOSuk7sJasnW8LIVSBfi1LxbGSuc0 MnlFSi710TsDGAZ7FT6H30zg+d3eJOk9fzDVulS08TWREhTH8eSp/ObRjD96tl15J30ixx UG6myhw4/gdzCajtP565nZSf4Zl5W/jWVewOBQVbhK0Rs09XcrWraXN47rsjZ2ey5ncgn7 8ObgRhM/XlnpM3XObghX4ytIlIGzFPXNajQLhL0V82dkyyG4m6LQADQKLo16Mg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1698197033; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=P5vERTq/VNveV8Ay1s9D0UQsbG6Z8TTBIpTS7A+lVyxsjibHKbYMWphFDreaELZI8mPCnv sQY+kP1SFABsjFRtu8fIPiAr5fSTPxDNxdPTmgq5+8n6KyicTkcbel4qWYevdoINyEb17c XEGxeCHORugygEvC+QuvI/L4hOLIb5OBNugcnfX0/5ya1IB0yus0dTU0fPRlf1itPrxYjW KZEUKz+husZpbW/dNOSZ2qvZ8YKWQNIZH2sYnLpnXJPDsEbPGyxNuSrp4lRFvKSEHwnByY rKlX0F1zA4hJEnfmZRG2dgrqlDcsoxgDMyOcCpy887MwYc8wKUrElvByYPXeXg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1698197033; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Ke3reZhmfRRCH99FC70f/WKCiIfyslpKZ8IR7WBVHI4=; b=l5RCJXADHQNjCDepWy8luoySNwlaKh2xIKHVPcTNgG3sVVpxBBEVZEfl/0/n73XGjVRS7S OrXau4qP06tl6tgmQFfEnqhZvks6v5kmbOfrbQhCDGJhJ9dONrjFUZl+x9exNno5ubz1nN mSdV92c6XE66vm30K4rtpsIIB1PdWQLsuUOyLDfoJUbztw59Qe68K1rQ9gRsEVAxeo5/Dw Gc6vdZThEpgk6jw10ML/4w0qJgTivAEfbGtPW5xAPOcRS9q4Hp+D/6/OjQwQ5rx12FewNo inuWjf5MoXBELMyrtRW2CHOwe9cbu8ZGriFuBC3YRgw8lDEA7w6ByUS0/o1jag== Received: from [10.9.4.95] (unknown [209.182.120.176]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: kevans/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SFWRF11y1z83p for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 01:23:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <93ae484b-0f67-4f8b-829d-f75162afd680@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 20:23:49 -0500 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: FreeBSD 14.0-BETA5 Now Available Content-Language: en-US To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <202310250103.39P13maS040503@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> From: Kyle Evans In-Reply-To: <202310250103.39P13maS040503@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 10/24/23 20:03, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 at 11:06, Rodney W. Grimes >> wrote: >>> >>> This is a regression of forms... I have been using ventoy to boot FreeBSD >>> since 12 or so and this is the first I have heard of a failure to boot >>> FreeBSD with Ventoy, so my ask is, what changed in FreeBSD that broke >>> it booting in Ventoy? >> >> At a minimum FreeBSD 14 has a different KBI and the 13.x kernel >> modules provided by older Ventoy won't work on 14.0. > > How does the KBI even entery into the picture? > > What "modules" are being provied by Ventoy, I do not know > of any FreeBSD modules being provided by Ventoy, it is an > EFI shim that loads the FreeBSD loader, and the loader > does all the work. > > Again, perhaps I do not see this as I am only using ventoy > in EFI mode. > > There's an accompanying geom module as well, source available[0] for every version they support (except 14.x, apparently, despite having a built blob in the geom_ventoy_ko dir). It's a little annoying to try and understand the problems they're running into from version to version, IMO, since they just publish the entire module again for each version rather than maintaining some __FreeBSD_version shims or something. Thanks, Kyle Evans [0] https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/tree/master/Unix/ventoy_unix_src/FreeBSD/geom_ventoy_src