From nobody Thu Nov 16 05:06:01 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SW7KR2Rznz519fc; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 05:06:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Received: from mail0.glenbarber.us (mail0.glenbarber.us [IPv6:2607:fc50:1:2300:1001:1001:1001:face]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail0.glenbarber.us", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA 2" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SW7KR1sn1z3FXy; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 05:06:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtpclient.apple (50.29.233.174.res-cmts.swb2.ptd.net [50.29.233.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: gjb) by mail0.glenbarber.us (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 94007D535; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 05:06:02 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail0.glenbarber.us 94007D535 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule From: Glen Barber In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 00:06:01 -0500 Cc: FreeBSD Release Engineering Team , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-Id: <9D0AE587-C9AE-4751-9B08-B4AF6811B633@freebsd.org> References: To: Rich Reynolds X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (20G81) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:2607:fc50::/36, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SW7KR1sn1z3FXy Thank you for that. Glen Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity and/or typos. > On Nov 15, 2023, at 11:17 PM, Rich Reynolds wrote= : >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 11/15/23 20:19, Pete Wright wrote: >>> On 11/15/23 16:30, Glen Barber wrote: >>> The alternative would be to say nothing at all. >>>=20 >>> Either way, it is a productivity, communication drain. It is >>> a lose-lose situation no matter how one looks at it given the above >>> context. We either get chastised for being "too open" into insights >>> delaying an official announcement, or for being "not open enough" when >>> there is silence from RE when a release does not meet its scheduled >>> announcement date. >> Glen I appreciate your transparency and the efforts you have done to keep= everyone in the loop. I think people get excited about new releases, which= is probably a good thing. IMHO i feel you've been striking a good balance.= >> As an operator these updates are really helpful for me as it allows me to= adjust timelines on my end for updating my fleet of servers. You and the RE= team do an incredible job - and personally I am thankful for the caution an= d common sense you all bring to this complex process. >> Cheers, >> -pete >> --=20 >> Pete Wright >> pete@nomadlogic.org >> @nomadlogicLA > +1 from a retired RE manager > yet another hard thankless job in the development chain... >=20 > --=20 > When you beleve in things. that you don't understand, > then you suffer, superstition ain't the way. > Stevie Wonder - 1972 >=20