From nobody Wed Nov 15 08:27:08 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SVbr05vRVz519bm; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 08:27:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Received: from mail0.glenbarber.us (mail0.glenbarber.us [IPv6:2607:fc50:1:2300:1001:1001:1001:face]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail0.glenbarber.us", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA 2" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SVbr05TFKz3bv4; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 08:27:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [IPv6:2607:fb90:e94b:905a:c8b8:3487:dbbc:d826]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: gjb) by mail0.glenbarber.us (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 84129D5DB; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 08:27:10 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail0.glenbarber.us 84129D5DB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule From: Glen Barber In-Reply-To: <20231115183857.2c728fa5@ws1.wobblyboot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2023 03:27:08 -0500 Cc: FreeBSD Release Engineering Team , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-Id: References: <20231115183857.2c728fa5@ws1.wobblyboot.net> To: matti k X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (20G81) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:2607:fc50::/36, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SVbr05TFKz3bv4 Well, today is your yesterday, so we might not be ready for another more tom= orrows your time, yesterdays, my time. Or something. Glen Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity and/or typos. > On Nov 15, 2023, at 2:39 AM, matti k wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn Wed, 15 Nov 2023 04:52:31 +0000 > Glen Barber wrote: >=20 >>>> Ok. I do not know what exactly is your point, but releases are >>>> never official until there is a PGP-signed email sent. The email >>>> is intended for the general public of consumers of official >>>> releases, not "yeah, but"s. >>>>=20 >=20 >> That does not say that the freebsd-update bits will not change *until* >> the official release announcement has been sent. >>=20 >> In my past 15 years involved in the Project, I think we have been very >> clear on that. >>=20 >> A RELEASE IS NOT FINAL UNTIL THE PGP-SIGNED ANNOUNCEMENT IS SENT. >>=20 >> I mean, c'mon, dude. >>=20 >> We really, seriously, for all intents and purposes, cannot be any more >> clear than that. >>=20 >> So, yes, *IF* an update necessitates a new freebsd-update build, what >> you are running is *NOT* official. >>=20 >> For at least 15 years, we have all said the same entire thing. >=20 > Here I have been tracking 14.0 release candidates >=20 > Reminds me of when slashdot would announce a new release days before it > was actually released and then someone would remind them of that >=20 > I am using an Australian mirror so will probably need to wait an extra > day to be on the safe side :-) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20