From nobody Wed Nov 15 07:38:57 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SVZmj5RmWz517S8 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 07:39:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mattik@gwsit.com.au) Received: from m4.out4.mxs.au (m4.out4.mxs.au [110.232.143.188]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SVZmh36XWz3WsD for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 07:39:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mattik@gwsit.com.au) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from s02ad.syd2.hostingplatform.net.au (s02ad.syd2.hostingplatform.net.au [103.27.32.38]) by out4.mxs.au (Halon) with ESMTPS (TLSv1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 id 0b7ddf84-838a-11ee-9cb2-00163c87da3f; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 18:39:01 +1100 (AEDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gwsit.com.au; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=wnVD7Efi0UjeRf7Xh57uVKzmlcU7sbw097LAgbl+y7o=; b=SyuZzuHE6i47YJRn9NzrG6oRSX 7gPcP4dqCPfjf2QOTpf2rEl0ZLDuHfy4cjyiblOUwdNAw5opVpwMPpgGGY5HWpquSPaVSWw3fCZiS hoKOXxRFxT16ITc3+rdI5+u+soXp8JT+EmTybKnjnPWW50lAD80a6tL8K5p0rKtsfb8/OcOf+BUMB d5PVQvbWdIaC6i+s03IVgNd3qZIx5POQJHgUsq9NLIsyaWwf4k+bC7Gvyw5+7EjKl14nAb8Y2nX4F 9v06fVXt9WGa1c994XTfqHQImXFII/grANcH0tVbxWmF3De2B85coFm/em6aLriefu+BMJfP6wt3C 2gFEb1sA==; Received: from 180-150-31-87.b4961f.syd.static.aussiebb.net ([180.150.31.87]:52025 helo=ws1.wobblyboot.net) by s02ad.syd2.hostingplatform.net.au with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96.2) (envelope-from ) id 1r3AUH-001OGv-1t; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 18:39:01 +1100 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2023 18:38:57 +1100 From: matti k To: Glen Barber Cc: FreeBSD Release Engineering Team , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule Message-ID: <20231115183857.2c728fa5@ws1.wobblyboot.net> In-Reply-To: <20231115045231.GN1307@FreeBSD.org> References: <20231114203654.GB52320@FreeBSD.org> <20231115022701.GM1307@FreeBSD.org> <20231115045231.GN1307@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.2) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - s02ad.syd2.hostingplatform.net.au X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gwsit.com.au X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: s02ad.syd2.hostingplatform.net.au: authenticated_id: mattik@gwsit.com.au X-Authenticated-Sender: s02ad.syd2.hostingplatform.net.au: mattik@gwsit.com.au X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:45638, ipnet:110.232.143.0/24, country:AU] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SVZmh36XWz3WsD On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 04:52:31 +0000 Glen Barber wrote: > > > Ok. I do not know what exactly is your point, but releases are > > > never official until there is a PGP-signed email sent. The email > > > is intended for the general public of consumers of official > > > releases, not "yeah, but"s. > > > > That does not say that the freebsd-update bits will not change *until* > the official release announcement has been sent. > > In my past 15 years involved in the Project, I think we have been very > clear on that. > > A RELEASE IS NOT FINAL UNTIL THE PGP-SIGNED ANNOUNCEMENT IS SENT. > > I mean, c'mon, dude. > > We really, seriously, for all intents and purposes, cannot be any more > clear than that. > > So, yes, *IF* an update necessitates a new freebsd-update build, what > you are running is *NOT* official. > > For at least 15 years, we have all said the same entire thing. Here I have been tracking 14.0 release candidates Reminds me of when slashdot would announce a new release days before it was actually released and then someone would remind them of that I am using an Australian mirror so will probably need to wait an extra day to be on the safe side :-)