From nobody Thu May 11 22:01:34 2023 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QHQpX2RdNz4B5J9 for ; Thu, 11 May 2023 22:01:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QHQpV5KZtz4HB6 for ; Thu, 11 May 2023 22:01:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp has no SPF policy when checking 153.125.133.21) smtp.mailfrom=junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp; dmarc=none Received: from kalamity.joker.local (123-1-88-210.area1b.commufa.jp [123.1.88.210]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.16.1/8.16.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 34BM1YLN064636 for ; Fri, 12 May 2023 07:01:34 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Date: Fri, 12 May 2023 07:01:34 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: git: c16e08e5f324 - main - stand/efi: Retire i386 support Message-Id: <20230512070134.eb633400d68cf7c0813d7fde@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: References: <202305112049.34BKnuJK060304@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.2) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.45 / 15.00]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.965]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.89)[-0.891]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[current@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; BLOCKLISTDE_FAIL(0.00)[153.125.133.21:server fail,123.1.88.210:server fail]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sakura.ne.jp]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[current@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QHQpV5KZtz4HB6 X-Spamd-Bar: - X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, 11 May 2023 23:08:30 +0200 Yuri wrote: > Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, May 11, 2023, 2:50 PM Rodney W. Grimes > > > > > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, May 11, 2023, 2:16 PM Yuri > > wrote: > > > > > > > Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > The branch main has been updated by imp: > > > > > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > https://cgit.FreeBSD.org/src/commit/?id=c16e08e5f324aa119c85e10eaabacbd2abdb40e0 > > > > > > > > > > commit c16e08e5f324aa119c85e10eaabacbd2abdb40e0 > > > > > Author:     Warner Losh > > > > > AuthorDate: 2023-05-11 20:04:12 +0000 > > > > > Commit:     Warner Losh > > > > > CommitDate: 2023-05-11 20:06:03 +0000 > > > > > > > > > >     stand/efi: Retire i386 support > > > > > > > > > >     Remove the i386 ifdefs and files. It never worked. > > > > > > > > > >     Sponsored by:           Netflix > > > > >     Reviewed by:            manu, tsoome, kevans > > > > >     Differential Revision:  https://reviews.freebsd.org/D40012 > > > > > > > > > > As this question seems to be asked a lot on the forums, does > > this mean > > > > we will never support the 32bit efi booting 64bit OS? > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It means we've given up on that. Such environments are rare these > > > days, as far as I know, so unless someone shows up with something that > > > works perfectly with a qemu testing recipe that we can roll it > > into out > > > test bed. Plus some kind of info on real hardware that does this > > that's > > > popular enough to justify inclusion. > > > > I have only ever seen 1 implementation of x86 32bit efi, and it was > > such a pile of turds I just scrapped the machine. > > > > > > That was my experience as well, so I biased my action towards just > > removing it. If it turns out my experience was somehow atypical and > > these are popular and very much robust, I'm open to learning about it. > > I just noticed that it was asked several times in the last few months > trying to use FreeBSD on not-so-modern and rather exotic hardware; I > don't think we really need that support, but I simply wasn't aware of > efi32 status before this commit, hence I asked :) Just a FYI. A subscriber (not me) tried ASUS EeeBook X205TA (manufactured "2015-04") through Mar.18, 2021 to Apr.13, 2021 without luck on freebsd-usrs-jp ML (in Japanese, started from [1], [2] for April). Atom CPU Z3735F @1.33GHz, 2GB RAM Shipped with "Windows 8.1 with Bing (32bit)" installed. [1] https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-users-jp/2021-March/001728.html [2] https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-users-jp/2021-April/001746.html -- Tomoaki AOKI]