From nobody Wed May 03 08:40:51 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QB9QW32r8z495Pc for ; Wed, 3 May 2023 08:41:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dim@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QB9QW2XMsz3Bpj; Wed, 3 May 2023 08:41:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dim@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1683103267; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=ClOboXsgT6CtatXo8zCBad2TctQyK+EcNH+fdBJNXOc=; b=IgZlSjfkITChh9IYDpEJiaEuiQsIGD06BsjzTj2Bny3JQp3E7Jw/ioDpOCdqftONRxPxTC 5cjIHtXJiOIy238RsBPbV4EBj47PHgA+VQc12aZ7Ev1NqGU+VLBvI8LoLLHVBf8eEwXxZD jYrF3pskFNa8z+fMStyHRJLJDtOWZ5YDuzO7/15qA/UQzTXk5Tx4QJ3jMN+vZhnRtCjjFc c7mk/HSKGdShU9gZZ2U/8BhiY01HTp3wiVyZV6pBEkG7sm++eTsVXZ+wbMHOb0yhNCqyFU kCgmImT2MR1FpS0hwTotUKR/uQS5PPA43JttXn1nCUff0gH1xs37cxjnbnyu1Q== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1683103267; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=ClOboXsgT6CtatXo8zCBad2TctQyK+EcNH+fdBJNXOc=; b=M+yji+sXVquZo/DmJXl44hXl3nhnfN2QMgh6SUEnb6r7zICY7PnYXOpxrk2c+/i7CVOuXN 7L1rEx8g3bwO56N6cWZ4/+mgC+00dyZIJQ1VBpkH2/eXc0JR4zKDxB3MJqBqvlCk1ZSJR7 r0hk1fTYfHYjceUeFzu+rZW0llTESl/W0aYauzp3lMrZk9iyiBZSpMP//2PLOKEosBAF71 G4WUhTsbJC9E0m3WF14iwia8FFwDxczfM2z7uaDKhMXfmrEbKlg5DNarZtJrMaJkkdhG1k 0K2rdItmPMBqceNkWUsNKufZGNYxzP8XfsARBuqpjQAIuEDTZpApsPwQyk42Lw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1683103267; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=bMtg//QTdcR39wQHZLJIX+8trFSv+TLf4nzrpXFf0+CB5YVagQypiXeuAEgRV56N5yD+pG 6t67g3TY1s7AUZ16KfCIUTFxvqMpNHf4qkkfVZe44gTQSC8cld6IzdfTGzfjp9lXUHKJsK /ALVdF0CfTQu0agB4nAQYpgiiQbwNEf2YztpVwVjRg9orp2eYkv9Y4/KJ3MoAVym6Mx/Gx iN6FZW9U7ILjAcLBIUWoMTcf9rNwYOlkwKJghdyt9SGUzmKVdPIsf1I1S7EUzgW3MjM1es avwaAut2x1BfEiDdHuk7oaOW9IvQ5/Dwu40rjYWk9q1XLDZxDuHxEl3ZwvNGqg== Received: from tensor.andric.com (tensor.andric.com [87.251.56.140]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "tensor.andric.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: dim) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4QB9QW0pyszbWK; Wed, 3 May 2023 08:41:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dim@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtpclient.apple (longrow.home.andric.com [192.168.0.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tensor.andric.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F3B6D70CF5; Wed, 3 May 2023 10:41:05 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_54131ABC-F5A3-4DE3-A977-C2978375B294"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.500.231\)) Subject: Re: Delay in 14.0-RELEASE cycle and blocking items From: Dimitry Andric In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 May 2023 10:40:51 +0200 Cc: Glen Barber , freebsd-current , FreeBSD Release Engineering Team Message-Id: References: <20230501181449.GJ1219@FreeBSD.org> To: Alexey Dokuchaev X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.500.231) X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --Apple-Mail=_54131ABC-F5A3-4DE3-A977-C2978375B294 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 3 May 2023, at 09:53, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > On Mon, May 01, 2023 at 06:14:49PM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: >> ... >> There is no feasible way we are going to make the branch point of >> stable/14 in time, with that scheduled for May 12, 2023 with the above >> points. That said, this is not an all-inclusive list, but the more >> major items on our radar at the moment. > > Does this delay mean we might get Clang 16 in the base? Current 15.0.7 > hits assertion on one of my ports which had allegedly been fixed in 16. > Also, AFAIU it comes with better support for modern C++, e.g. ranges. https://bugs.freebsd.org/271047 is the exp-run bug for that; it will depend on how much ports fallout there is, and the effort required to fix things. Last time with clang 15 it took quite a while, but I hope it may be somewhat easier this time. For now it looks like the most impactful change is the new default of -std=gnu++17 for C++ mode (like gcc >= 11), since C++17 has actively removed a bunch of things which were deprecated before, for example the 'register' keyword. That tends to break older software, or software which isn't updated very often. -Dimitry --Apple-Mail=_54131ABC-F5A3-4DE3-A977-C2978375B294 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.2 iF0EARECAB0WIQR6tGLSzjX8bUI5T82wXqMKLiCWowUCZFIeEwAKCRCwXqMKLiCW o+XjAJ9uq3oLGU6EWREHmMMezGQZc6YjBgCfRqS4Bkiya/FqZO80ifor89dL70A= =PBRZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_54131ABC-F5A3-4DE3-A977-C2978375B294--