From nobody Thu Jun 01 11:48:30 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QX4Cf3QQPz4YMHw for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2023 11:48:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tsoome@me.com) Received: from mr85p00im-ztdg06011901.me.com (mr85p00im-ztdg06011901.me.com [17.58.23.198]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QX4Cf0mC2z48ty for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2023 11:48:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tsoome@me.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=me.com; s=1a1hai; t=1685620123; bh=K6vwHGhfkSkuJzMjUqjFS0zm0GD89FTpHBM/HfPlEk8=; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:To; b=kBdjiVNE3XvFs99yxuP/02iOqV0jEf5NbTywtLetMDbWui8rTqCKcRgaA5DKv3MVk ob2av30ybEGgaJ4DYdybPyr4xLKga4tcfOxFnymtSIOEvYSYButN31TZ0A3I/qctmI TPL9ilueIVg2tCNy7UtIzbN0fBFqhzBVBZGRb/B+RNlV92SZI/+t3GZ7Mp/RIpdaZm jjCydoLfDe5XWIPKJapCvcgP0i6nFf74QENoyNJ+OjWatxCDaF7uIF+3kiRI7YNA0v UZYphq3aRNXVEZwaEFC2LOe2+TLpgRvOmcBZ3HE07yEUSbTl7e80AuxAjo/zPvrVgy COYEujoOaXZzw== Received: from smtpclient.apple (mr38p00im-dlb-asmtp-mailmevip.me.com [17.57.152.18]) by mr85p00im-ztdg06011901.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C84F0900129; Thu, 1 Jun 2023 11:48:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Toomas Soome Message-Id: <3A0E5086-8397-45AD-8312-23B8CC5104CE@me.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8C26DF97-1C6A-4917-8D0C-D47BCE962D69" List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.600.7\)) Subject: Re: WITH_BEARSSL: -8112 bytes available Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 14:48:30 +0300 In-Reply-To: <20230601103010.69f92495@ernst.home> Cc: Warner Losh , FreeBSD CURRENT To: garyj@gmx.de References: <20230529105854.1903226d@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20230531213026.275c4eaf@ernst.home> <20230601103010.69f92495@ernst.home> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.600.7) X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: 0oP4I5czwjpCiSMWB9DOTAyciNCY3bRZ X-Proofpoint-GUID: 0oP4I5czwjpCiSMWB9DOTAyciNCY3bRZ X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: =?UTF-8?Q?vendor=3Dfsecure_engine=3D1.1.170-22c6f66c430a71ce266a39bfe25bc?= =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.425,18.0.816,17.11.62.513.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2022-01-18=5F01:2022-01-14=5F01,2022-01-18=5F01,2021-12-02?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F01_signatures=3D0?= X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 clxscore=1011 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 mlxlogscore=801 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2212070000 definitions=main-2306010105 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QX4Cf0mC2z48ty X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:714, ipnet:17.58.16.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --Apple-Mail=_8C26DF97-1C6A-4917-8D0C-D47BCE962D69 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On 1. Jun 2023, at 11:30, Gary Jennejohn wrote: >=20 > On Wed, 31 May 2023 14:41:23 -0600 > Warner Losh > wrote: >=20 >> On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 1:30?PM Gary Jennejohn wrote: >>=20 >>> On Wed, 31 May 2023 12:15:12 -0600 >>> Warner Losh wrote: >>>=20 >>> [SNIP irrelevant text] >>>=20 >>>> And no, I really do not want to support 'loadable modules'. BIOS = booting >>> is >>>> on the way out, and people >>>> that want to do complex stuff in the boot loader will simply have = to do >>>> that in UEFI or maybe kboot/LinuxBoot. >>>=20 >>> So, what exactly does "BIOS booting is on the way out" mean? I have = four >>> computers which use BIOS booting. Three are too old to support UEFI = and >>> the other one I simply set to BIOS booting out of habit. >>>=20 >>=20 >> New computers aren't supporting it. Its days are numbered. It's = longevity is >> much shorter than UEFI's. These are all indisputable. I'm not = planning on >> dropping it in 15, but the number of people that are using it is a = declining >> group over time. Time spent making EFI more effective will affect = more >> people. That's what I mean. So I don't want to sink a ton of time = into it. >>=20 >=20 > OK, that makes sense. If it disappears after 15 I guess I'll have to > maintain it myself. Should be doable. >=20 >=20 I have this change in my queue: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D40375 toomas --Apple-Mail=_8C26DF97-1C6A-4917-8D0C-D47BCE962D69 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

On 1. = Jun 2023, at 11:30, Gary Jennejohn <garyj@gmx.de> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 = 14:41:23 -0600
Warner = Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> = wrote:

On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 1:30?PM Gary Jennejohn = <garyj@gmx.de> wrote:

On Wed, 31 = May 2023 12:15:12 -0600
Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> = wrote:

[SNIP irrelevant text]

And = no, I really do not want to support 'loadable modules'. BIOS = booting
is
on the way out, = and people
that want to do complex stuff in the boot loader will = simply have to do
that in UEFI or maybe = kboot/LinuxBoot.

So, what exactly does "BIOS booting = is on the way out" mean?  I have four
computers which use BIOS = booting.  Three are too old to support UEFI and
the other one I = simply set to BIOS booting out of habit.


New = computers aren't supporting it. Its days are numbered. It's longevity = is
much shorter than UEFI's. These are all indisputable. I'm not = planning on
dropping it in 15, but the number of people that are = using it is a declining
group over time. Time spent making EFI more = effective will affect more
people. That's what I mean. So I don't = want to sink a ton of time into it.


OK, that makes sense. =  If it disappears after 15 I guess I'll have to
maintain it myself. =  Should be doable.



I have = this change in my queue: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D4= 0375

toomas

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