From nobody Tue Jul 25 21:11:09 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4R9V7v38GXz4nvVv for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2023 21:11:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@dogwood.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x22c.google.com (mail-lj1-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4R9V7v1J5yz3wTq for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2023 21:11:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@dogwood.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-lj1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2b703a0453fso89088831fa.3 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2023 14:11:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dogwood.com; s=google; t=1690319481; x=1690924281; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Qqo3dQEbBWwDmBUX8ztVJ2dc4F0SOHxS3LxftqVwMfU=; b=YE6nVmUx/dLgP50yoPPfgBbQ/XJNcI0U2zNrZfFWT02jHTxD+eVQEZuT+7J2CWaz6m kf0NvGXS61nJ40nFHIVQHf1wftvWdjfcoXxwILGL1BusvxfjWTahrBi/iumHdfUQtOoi LHPywG+FwDRBez+H9HoArKz/M7W+40552TFl8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1690319481; x=1690924281; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=Qqo3dQEbBWwDmBUX8ztVJ2dc4F0SOHxS3LxftqVwMfU=; b=BE+rnJH/KkryxJSKY4sAPLl+RUt39QkIg2o6NEgu3FVJRVd32n9ZiAzAdCOnaO805X As9yiLhWf3OP7rRnLN9R5mwQ9fq8GuRASPvNa3bhzUwroGH4CFP/xNRmRLgXPHbXViYS ACTHOHq0Kxl+tzeFUy3AW3+SuEF9wg5m3+H/0kjeYD2FcNK46fEh8wgEvmd7774/eT5d TEqwp3TXs12DAE7z5GQqUu6ZSnLB/1+c6ZmQ68KFZKxQq1eWomAOzJWmMJcPnrqVhIZV 4ybBc3WeLHrfo+cAy25P7MjEq6gIYVxglUyMdYSwvxq/0H+PnjZ7r7+sZx3QzL+69D5R to7g== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLZ4FDg+CvGe94oAxtB5ET6zJ139c57Hr38T0ZvIpxJ0elzhMNuq dk2PA/sYpNtauSeczAfpHnUDLpVbovAgQZsSCws97Hoy3n4p6Sd3yk8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlFtJWVgLYxyz+yUtS4dBvJskly50tMHlRuYwdYzwcn8OTB8KQLNxgswojhYsIGWuOe0rIhx4+SjqANad0Jdaes= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9cd4:0:b0:2b7:3656:c594 with SMTP id g20-20020a2e9cd4000000b002b73656c594mr3073ljj.3.1690319481060; Tue, 25 Jul 2023 14:11:21 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: David Cornejo Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 11:11:09 -1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: HST time zone To: Dimitry Andric Cc: FreeBSD Current Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000039d8c10601562cc0" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4R9V7v1J5yz3wTq X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated --00000000000039d8c10601562cc0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 11:01=E2=80=AFAM Dimitry Andric w= rote: > On 25 Jul 2023, at 22:26, David Cornejo wrote: > > > > One thing that has bothered me for a long time is that the > Pacific/Honolulu timezone is found under the America -- North and > South/United States of America/Hawaii in tzsetup. Politics of Hawaiian > Sovereignty aside, every other system I regularly install uses > Pacific/Honolulu as it is in the official tzdb. > > > > Is there any reason why a patch to change to match the standard would b= e > refused? > > Which version of FreeBSD are you using? On my 14-CURRENT box, Hawaii is > actually found in *two* locations in tzsetup: > > * America -- North and South -> United States of America -> Hawaii > * Pacific Ocean -> United States of America -> Hawaii > It just seems that the "standard" is Pacific/Honolulu and we are different - in the IANA tz db, there is only mention of Pacific/Honolulu. While I'm not saying they're correct, every Linux dist I've tried uses it. I have a mixed shop, and every difference is a potential problem. I doubt that this affects many people, so consistency would not seem a hardship. So that would serve all sides? :) > > As far as I can see, the menu is dynamically generated from > /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone1970.tab, which has: > > US +211825-1575130 Pacific/Honolulu Hawaii > > and seems to be up-to-date with regards to the IANA tz files. > > -Dimitry > > --00000000000039d8c10601562cc0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 11:01=E2=80=AFAM Dimitry Andric <dim@freebsd.org> wrote:
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On 25 Jul 2023, at 22:26, David Cornejo <dave@dogwood.com> wrote:
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> One thing that has bothered me for a long time is that the Pacific/Hon= olulu timezone is found under the America -- North and South/United States = of America/Hawaii in tzsetup. Politics of Hawaiian Sovereignty aside, every= other system I regularly install uses Pacific/Honolulu as it is in the off= icial tzdb.
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> Is there any reason why a patch to change to match the standard would = be refused?

Which version of FreeBSD are you using? On my 14-CURRENT box, Hawaii is act= ually found in *two* locations in tzsetup:

* America -- North and South -> United States of America -> Hawaii * Pacific Ocean -> United States of America -> Hawaii

It just seems that the "standard" is Pacific/Honolulu a= nd we are different - in the IANA tz db, there is only mention of Pacific/H= onolulu. While I'm not saying they're correct, every Linux dist I&#= 39;ve tried uses it. I have a mixed shop, and every difference is a potenti= al problem.

I doubt that this affects many people, so consistency would = not seem a hardship.

So that would serve all sides? :)

As far as I can see, the menu is dynamically generated from /usr/share/zone= info/zone1970.tab, which has:

US=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +211825-1575130 Pacific/Honolulu=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 Hawaii

and seems to be up-to-date with regards to the IANA tz files.

-Dimitry

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