From nobody Mon Jan 30 17:32:35 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P5FcS3B5Tz3c2Qs for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:32:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihor@antonovs.family) Received: from mail.antonovs.family (mail.antonovs.family [100.25.240.195]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.antonovs.family", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P5FcR69yBz3ByK for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:32:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihor@antonovs.family) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=antonovs.family header.s=20200215 header.b=BSXQYsgV; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ihor@antonovs.family designates 100.25.240.195 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ihor@antonovs.family; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=antonovs.family DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=antonovs.family; s=20200215; t=1675099939; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=wPyJIoRui49R3lLyJHbxcgLmcBnJF2Yf4egG5yVWWZY=; b=BSXQYsgVjLYXjiXOLisFJz1/xPF3I9IVRhtsAbvp9rexyn3GgxakUKATAJjBNmLYj7xjTB Hkpn7Wk+D7DxSFB7PwXnkR7iRw8GvjMXRlUliRrVrMmyW1wOitRvkRCx+yBJxDPvaE43vR ka6wjat+L/u5SlhtTxQiuId3cU1MWUI= Received: by mail.antonovs.family (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id d2449899 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:32:35 +0000 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.6.1 Subject: Re: Tooling Integration and Developer Experience Content-Language: en-US To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <202301300254.30U2sm0k061914@dell.no.berklix.net> <97020cad-f913-2985-2093-e4c23bf671e3@antonovs.family> <86357sxsly.fsf@cthulhu.stephaner.labo.int> From: User Ngor In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.991]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[antonovs.family,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[antonovs.family:s=20200215]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[antonovs.family:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14618, ipnet:100.24.0.0/13, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P5FcR69yBz3ByK X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 1/30/23 13:53, Warner Losh wrote: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 3:40 AM Kurt Jaeger wrote: > >> Hi, >> >>>> On 1/30/23 02:54, Julian H. Stacey wrote: >>>> The main idea: to prevent information fragmentation and improve >>>> discoverability, cross-referencing abilities, search, etc. >>> With regards to improving discoverability, Phabricator's Owner >>> tool could be a good tactical move: it allow to bind code area to >>> peoples in order to automatically add them to reviews. >> If you know phabricator in more detail, is there any kind of tool >> to understand the activity going on ? >> >> In bugs.freebsd.org, there is the dashboard: >> >> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/page.cgi?id=dashboard.html >> >> I think we might need something similar to help us understand >> the current state of the phabricator instance and the work >> being done. >> >> Phab allows Dashboards, but no-one had the time to configure some >> queries to provide relevant stats. >> > Phab is a terrible tool for discovery. For example, how do I query all the > reviews I've ticked 'OK' that are still open, by non-committers? How do I > flag things as 'interesting to me'? I can tick a flag, but I can't query > flags. Also, I can't get an email address for submitter either. That makes > it more of a pain to land the commit. You can search flags here [1]. You can filter them by color and the object (i.e. differential revision or any other Phab thing). Flags are personal and not visible to anybody else For common use I think tags are better and are queryable in here [2]. Tags require projects, projects can be created by administrators, this is a bit counter-intuitive, but it works > But there's two other issues: The FreeBSD project has had a long history of > being behind, regardless of the tools we use. There's a labor shortage to > process these things as well. Second, lots of people want to talk, but few > want to do the work. I tried leading an effort in this area,but grew weary > of the passive-aggressive comments about how I basically sucked for not > having it done already (from the same people that did 0 actual work on it). > I'd love to help and do the grunt work. What is important is some form of consensus that project actually needs this. I don't know how this works, the is very little visibility from the Core on these matters. [1]https://reviews.freebsd.org/flag/ [2] https://reviews.freebsd.org/differential/query/advanced/ -- Ihor Antonov