From nobody Thu Jul 07 21:26:18 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8AD3E3A98 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2022 21:27:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from warlock@phouka1.phouka.net) Received: from phouka1.phouka.net (phouka1.phouka.net [107.170.196.116]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "phouka.net", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certificate Authority - G2" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Lf8dj52Xzz3Dhb for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2022 21:27:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from warlock@phouka1.phouka.net) Received: from phouka1.phouka.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phouka1.phouka.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 267LQIK4093802 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 7 Jul 2022 14:26:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from warlock@phouka1.phouka.net) Received: (from warlock@localhost) by phouka1.phouka.net (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 267LQImf093801; Thu, 7 Jul 2022 14:26:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from warlock) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2022 14:26:18 -0700 From: John Kennedy To: Klaus =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=FCchemann?= Cc: Hans Petter Selasky , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Accessibility in the FreeBSD installer and console Message-ID: References: <45ACA785-05BF-496B-8D0A-AD2A4A2293D1@googlemail.com> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <45ACA785-05BF-496B-8D0A-AD2A4A2293D1@googlemail.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Lf8dj52Xzz3Dhb X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of warlock@phouka1.phouka.net has no SPF policy when checking 107.170.196.116) smtp.mailfrom=warlock@phouka1.phouka.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.21 / 15.00]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.992]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[warlock@phouka.net,warlock@phouka1.phouka.net]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[googlemail.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:107.170.192.0/18, country:US]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[phouka.net]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[warlock@phouka.net,warlock@phouka1.phouka.net] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, Jul 07, 2022 at 10:11:52PM +0200, Klaus Küchemann wrote: > > Am 07.07.2022 um 19:32 schrieb Hans Petter Selasky : > > The only argument I've heard from some non-sighted friends about not using FreeBSD natively is that ooh, MacOSX is so cool. It starts speaking from the start if I press this and this key. Is anyone here working on or wanting such a feature? > > Possibly they didn’t want to be rude and your friends didn't tell you the other argument :-) : according to the corresponding wiki page FreeBSD doesn't natively support any audio output at all on your friends current M1 Mac hardware. > since quite nothing is currently supported you probably will first take over working on the Audio driver …..and of course USB :-) I think a huge benefit that Apple would have is that they might be able to guarantee some sort of audio speaker, period, since they control the hardware that the software runs on. That might be a big ask on FreeBSD, but maybe if there was some relatively ubiqitous