From nobody Wed Sep 22 09:32:36 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D801758F14 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 09:32:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4HDtPL5DJQz4m3X; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 09:32:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from aniel.nours.eu (nours.eu [176.31.115.77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: bapt) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 80CDE5C83; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 09:32:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: by aniel.nours.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E59B6B2AE2; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:32:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:32:36 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: daniel@morante.net Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] making /bin/sh the default shell for root Message-ID: <20210922093236.azun2pqciabo3fem@aniel.nours.eu> References: <20210922083645.4vnoajyvwq6wfhdf@aniel.nours.eu> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 05:19:38AM -0400, Daniel Morante via freebsd-current wrote: > Will history/completion continue to work the same way? (for example typing > part of the command, pressing UP and having it complete based on history) No, this is a csh specific behaviour. (not it can probably be doable via .shrc, but I haven't checked) Best regards, Bapt > > On 9/22/2021 4:36 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > Hello, > > > > TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!! > > > > For years now, csh is the default root shell for FreeBSD, csh can be confusing > > as a default shell for many as all other unix like settled on a bourne shell > > compatible interactive shell: zsh, bash, or variant of ksh. > > > > Recently our sh(1) has receive update to make it more user friendly in > > interactive mode: > > * command completion (thanks pstef@) > > * improvement in the emacs mode, to make it behave by default like other shells > > * improvement in the vi mode (in particular the vi edit to respect $EDITOR) > > * support for history as described by POSIX. > > > > This makes it a usable shell by default, which is why I would like to propose to > > make it the default shell for root starting FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE (not MFCed) > > > > If no strong arguments has been raised until October 15th, I will make this > > proposal happen. > > > > Again just in case: THIS IS NOT A PROPOSAL TO REMOVE CSH FROM BASE! > > > > Best regards, > > Baptiste > > >