Re: What to do about tgammal?
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 17:51:51 UTC
On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 10:41:14AM +0000, Mark Murray wrote: > > Hmm. I think my understanding of ULP is missing something? > > I thought that ULP could not be greater than the mantissa size > in bits? > > I.e., I thought it represents average rounding error (compared with > "perfect rounding"), not truncation error, as the above very large > ULPs suggest. > The definition of ULP differs according which expert you choose to follow. :-) For me (a non-expert), ULP is measured in the system of the "accurate answer", which is assumed to have many more bits of precision than the "approximate answer". From a very old das@ email and for long double I have /* From a das email: * * ulps = err * (2**(LDBL_MANT_DIG - e)), where e = ilogb(accurate). * * I use: * * mpfr_sub(err, accurate, approximate, RNDN); * mpfr_abs(err, err, RNDN); * mpfr_mul_2si(ulpx, err, -mpfr_get_exp(accurate) + LDBL_MANT_DIG, RNDN); * ulp = mpfr_get_d(ulpx, RNDN); * if (ulp 0.506 && mpfr_cmpabs(err, ldbl_minx) 0) { * print warning...; * } */ Here, "err = |accurate - approximate|" is done in the precision of the "accurate answer", and RNDN is round-to-nearest. The line 'mpfr_mul_2si(...)' is doing the scaling to manipulate the exponent of the radix 2. This is agreement with Goldberg. IIRC, Jean-Michel Muller et al have much more detailed discussion about error and ULPs in their book "Handbook of Floating-Point Arithmetic". https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19957-01/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html So, on ld80 and tgamma, I have % tlibm -l -x 8 -X 1755 -n 100000 -P tgamma Interval tested for tgammal: [8,1755] ulp <= 0.5: 90.207% 90207 | 90.207% 90207 0.5 < ulp < 0.6: 7.085% 7085 | 97.292% 97292 0.6 < ulp < 0.7: 2.383% 2383 | 99.675% 99675 0.7 < ulp < 0.8: 0.314% 314 | 99.989% 99989 0.8 < ulp < 0.9: 0.011% 11 | 100.000% 100000 Max ulp: 0.853190 at 9.236118561185611856579e+02 The "ulp <= 0.5" line indicates the number of correctly rounded case. If the value of ULP exceeds 1, then you are starting to lose more than 1 bit in the significant. Consider individual points. Here's a correctly rounded case: % tlibm -l -a 9.236118561185000000 tgamma xu = LD80C(0x93c72441a44a57a9, 3, 9.23611856118499999994e+00L), libmu = LD80C(0x82f85b3fe4b36f9b, 16, 6.70567128873706962722e+04L), mpfru = LD80C(0x82f85b3fe4b36f9b, 16, 6.70567128873706962722e+04L), ULP = 0.42318 Notice, ULP < 0.5 and the bits in libm and mpfr answer rounded to long double are all the same as is the decimal representation. Now consider the max ULP case: % tlibm -l -a 9.236118561185611856579e+02 tgamma xu = LD80C(0xe6e728a690c4fa87, 9, 9.23611856118561185658e+02L), libmu = LD80C(0xba6bea661a7eda3c, 7762, 5.72944398777756327202e+2336L), mpfru = LD80C(0xba6bea661a7eda3d, 7762, 5.72944398777756327245e+2336L), ULP = 0.85319 ULP is < 1, which is desireable. The bits agree except for the last place where we're off by 1, ie, 0xc vs 0xd. The decimal representation is of course off. So, now on grimoirei without my patch, I have % ./tlibm_libm -l -a 1.59255925592559255925592559255925594e+01 tgamma x = 1.59255925592559255925592559255925594e+01L libm = 1.06660136733166064453125000000000000e+12L mpfr = 1.06660136733166211967839038834033459e+12L, ULP = 13932370826141802496.00000 You have 16 correct decimal digits out of 36, which is the best you can expect from mapping tgammal to tgamma. ULP is significant larger than 1. The ulp is almost guaranteed to be larger than 2**(113-53). Now with my patch and worse case for 10000 x in [10:16] % ./tlibm_lmath -l -a 1.59255925592559255925592559255925594e+01 tgamma x = 1.59255925592559255925592559255925594e+01L libm = 1.06660136733166211967839038834033897e+12 mpfr = 1.06660136733166211967839038834033459e+12L, ULP = 41.40877 I don't print out the hex representation in ld128, but you see the number of correct decimal digits is 33 digits compared to 36. -- Steve