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Sun, 19 Jan 2025 09:18:25 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 50J9IPZr026595 for bugs@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2025 09:18:25 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: www set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: bugs@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 280941] The reboot command considered harmful Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2025 09:18:22 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Base System X-Bugzilla-Component: bin X-Bugzilla-Version: Unspecified X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Some People X-Bugzilla-Who: tamelingdaniel@gmail.com X-Bugzilla-Status: New X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: bugs@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: cc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Bug reports List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-bugs List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D280941 Daniel Tameling changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |tamelingdaniel@gmail.com --- Comment #12 from Daniel Tameling --- I haven't commented so far since I don't care that much and wanted to see h= ow the discussion goes. But I wasn't using reboot because of my experience with Linux, I was using it because it's called reboot. And while it's rebooting = the system, it turns out that if I want to reboot I should actually be using shutdown instead. That is just bad design and violates the principle of lea= st astonishment FreeBSD normally champions. In fact, with the way I use FreeBS= D, I will never use the current reboot directly, so for myself I created a shell alias to shutdown -r now. And this is a FreeBSD pitfall I have seen multiple people fall into. And it= is not just beginners. For instance this forum post starts with: "For over 20 years I have used the command: reboot. And never had any problems in my tim= e. I frequently see the manuals say to use the command: shutdown -r now. Why is = this used instead of "reboot" and what is the difference?" https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/reboot-my-way-or-reboot-your-way.89185/ I understand that there are people with different usage patterns and expectations, but I personally am in favour of changing the behavior of reb= oot and halt. I wouldn't even add a fast flag as there still will be fastboot a= nd fashalt. But I can also accept if the current situation remains as it is. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.=