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From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <3F73BC2D-41FA-4667-834B-8D5B49ACD428@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2024 05:14:28 -0700 Cc: Philip Paeps , Antoine Brodin Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <3F73BC2D-41FA-4667-834B-8D5B49ACD428@yahoo.com> To: FreeBSD ARM List , Warner Losh X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3776.700.51) X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.84 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.84)[-0.835]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.30:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arm@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.30:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4WxW6G20Kgz4Brx On Aug 31, 2024, at 22:43, Mark Millard wrote: > I CC'd Philip Paeps and Antoine Brodin because the answers for the > below probably dictate the handling of the armv6 (qemu based) jails > on various beefy*'s being deletion vs. updating-the-worlds for during > next round of updates. (Why update or keep jails that are not being > used?) >=20 > https://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ indicates that armv6 is "Tier 2" in = the > "13.x" column. >=20 > But armv6's most recent package building attempt of any kind was for > 132releng-armv6-quarterly on beefy8 starting at Thu, 05 Oct 2023 > 02:37:41 GMT. (It crashed.) There are no attempted armv6 or later = builds > for 13.3+ RELEASE builds after that. (I only see public information > published by the machines.) >=20 > Even "21.2.4 Unsupported Architectures" > ( https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/committers-guide/#archs ) = says: >=20 > "Note that ports support should remain as long as the platform is = supported > in a branch supported by ports." >=20 > armv6 no longer does so for 13.3+ (supposed Tier 2) or 14.0+ (supposed > Tier 3). >=20 > I'd expect that the evidence against qemu based support being = sufficient for > building armv6 package reliably --or being likely to in any sort of = timely > manor-- is probably sufficient justification for official = reclassification, even > if stable/13 and stable/14 system builds for tinderbox are still = operational > for armv6. >=20 > May be this note is appropriate for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org = too/instead? >=20 >=20 > Side notes: >=20 > I'll note that I'm not referencing armv7 here. I expect that the = problems in > recent months for the ampere2 based main-armv7-default package-build > activity will prove to have been fixed at the next round of updating = the > world version in each of the armv7 jails on ampere2. A bug was found = and > fixed for this for main (avoiding recursive locking) and the armv7 = jails look > like they will soon be updated. As I understand, these jail updates = are > normally Antoine Brodin related activity. main-armv7-default on ampere2 started building devel/doxygen and during the build it extracted graphviz and kept going instead of hanging up just after the extraction. It is now well into the build phase. So it looks like FreeBSD armv7 package building and distributing is back to normal after the armv7 jails were updated. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com