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User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <9211C7C9-FB09-4EB0-A315-BB86865EE9BC@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D376BD7-AA62-427E-99C0-8C91941E9763@ketas.si.pri.ee> List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arm List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.10 / 15.00]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_5(3.00)[d004-fea2-0bff-021e-13e8-8437-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ketas.si.pri.ee,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:7d0:8437:1300::/56]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ketas.si.pri.ee:s=ketas-si-pri-ee-20240416002854-4096]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3249, ipnet:2001:7d0::/32, country:EE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arm@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-arm@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ketas.si.pri.ee:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4XxrV36PMkz49CX X-Spamd-Bar: / i see that you have chicken and egg problem here=2E you want to build a pho= ne on fbsd=2E that could be maybe some high security device designed for go= vernments at first, general public later=2E that could bring lot of develop= ment onto fbsd, resulting in higher popularity, funding too, all related to= battery powered embedded devices=2E more security research (and malware :(= ) too=2E the problem is that fbsd doesn't really support any of that=2E the= re is embedded and it's used even commercially but so much of work needs to= be done that it would require a lot=2E i did read briefly that you even en= ded up having fights with people seemingly on who will do this work=2E i be= t someone will, provided someone gives them food=2E that could come from pe= ople who buy this=2E hell, this needs whole team=2E there are big companies= contributing, if you watch commit logs, but they focus on amd64 only=2E so= rry to see this fizzling out as idea is super cool=2E perhaps you could bui= ld basically working prototype on something existing=2E i have h3 here whic= h works well except it's 32bit so it's going out soon and video is hard if = not impossible=2E (my project will not require video nor battery)=2E but yo= u know all that i see=2E this is not first time=2E i think openmoko freerun= ner poorly ran fbsd too, my friend had that working i recall=2E how you're = going to pull it off i have no idea=2E i'm not good in any of those fields = either=2E happy to test something tho=2E have a good luck with this masterp= iece