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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 770861fca5c407ed0bd941007218e4cb; Sun, 07 Jul 2024 17:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arm List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.600.62\)) Subject: Re: ntpd vs ntpdate with no hardware clock From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 10:54:07 -0700 Cc: Warner Losh , Ronald Klop , "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3C703965-FE57-441D-9A64-0EB72C7E7E6F@yahoo.com> References: <454282477.15929.1720372600841@localhost> To: bob prohaska X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.600.62) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4WHFHz1YHKz3xyX On Jul 7, 2024, at 10:23, bob prohaska wrote: > On Sun, Jul 07, 2024 at 11:18:56AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 7, 2024, 11:16=E2=80=AFAM Ronald Klop = wrote: >>=20 >>> I created fakertc for my rpi4. >>>=20 >>> https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/fakertc/ >>>=20 >>> Saves the time on shutdown and sets it back early at boot. >>>=20 >>> Plus I use ntpdate together with ntpd. Works fine. >>>=20 >>=20 >> Curious why the root mod time isn't firing... it whould alrwady do = that >>=20 > Root mod time seems fairly laggy: > rprohask@www:~ % date > Sun Jul 7 10:20:38 PDT 2024 > rprohask@www:~ % ls -al / > total 97 > drwxr-xr-x 20 root wheel 512 Jul 5 13:21 . > drwxr-xr-x 20 root wheel 512 Jul 5 13:21 .. > unless I'm misusing ls -al, of course.... I mount with noatime in use. Do you? Are you trying to show: time when file was created (-Ul) time when file status was last changed (-cl) time when file was last modified (-l) time of last access (-ul) You implicitly specified "last modified". So when was the last change to the root directory representation? It likely is not modified often. (Modifications to file content and subdirectories would not modify / of itself.) linux can have relatime vs. strictatime modes. relatime mode updates the atime less often, via a rule set. A linux can have relatime by default. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com