Re: reboot hesitation on Pi3 running -current
- Reply: Mark Millard : "Re: reboot hesitation on Pi3 running -current"
- In reply to: bob prohaska : "Re: reboot hesitation on Pi3 running -current"
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:27:20 UTC
On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 12:00:08PM -0800, bob prohaska wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 09:05:59AM -0800, Steve Rikli wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 08:15:30AM -0800, bob prohaska wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 07:20:03AM -0800, Mark Millard wrote: > > > > On Nov 28, 2023, at 07:10, bob prohaska <fbsd@www.zefox.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > A Pi3 running -current has taken to pausing during a shutdown > > > > > -r in a strange way: It gets to: > > > > > > > > > > Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command > > > > > prompt. Booting [/boot/kernel/kernel] in 5 second more > > > > > detailed help. > > > > > > > > > > It then stops at the OK prompt: > > > > > > > > > > OK boot <---typing boot fails: > > > > > > > > > > unknown command <---this looks strange, the kernel should > > > > > already be loaded > > > > > > > > A possibility here is garbage control characters, say before > > > > the "boot". YOu might want to type just <return> to the first OK > > > > prompt and see if you ever still get "unknown command" once you > > > > do type just "boot" (and <return>). > > > > > > IIRC I've done that in the past with the same result, but memory > > > is hazy and an attempt at a second shutdown -r came back up > > > without hesitation. > > > > > > Another build/install cycle is running now, I'll be more careful > > > next time. > > > > > > > The fact that the countdown stopped at 5 (or other early value) > > > > suggests such extra text at that point. > > > > > > Rubbish on the serial console is a common occurence, but it usually > > > shows up when the USB end is taken down and brought back up. In this > > > case the USB end remained up throughout the reboot cycle, no stray > > > characters were visible. > > > > This topic has come up before here, I believe. > > > > I can confirm the same or very similar behavior on rpi4, and there's no > > USB-serial to disconnect on the remote end, rather an actual serial > > console server which is always-on. > > That's a significant (I think) observation. I couldn't tell where the > stray characters were originating and suspected the USB-serial > adapter. Your experience suggests very strongly the trouble is local > to the serial UART on the Pi or maybe wiring problems. I tend to agree. No USB-serial adapters involved in my setup. Wrt "wiring problem", fwiw I've tried multiple cables and db9 hoods, with both full-pins and 3-wire, no difference. All work as expected on other systems (NUC, various x86 PC, the occasional network gear etc.). > Is it possible that the serial port of the monitoring devices occasionally > echos output from the Pi's console back to the Pi? Seems to me it shouldn't, > but sometimes I see fragments of a login prompt among the rubbish. I imagine it's possible but I doubt it's happening. I've swapped ports on the serial console server as well JIC, again no change, and no other systems or devices exhibit behavior like this. > > Unfortunately it's not consistent behavior, i.e. sometimes the reboot > > proceeds uninterrupted. Sometimes typing 'boot' proceeds normally, > > sometimes typing 'boot' errors and then typing it again proceeds as > > normal. > > Does it sometimes reboot hands-off? Mine does, at least occasionally. Yes, sorry, that's what I meant by "sometimes reboot proceeds uninterrupted". > > I too have been thinking it's spurious chars on the serial console at > > various points, but I've yet to find a common behavior or consistent > > method to reproduce. This doesn't happen on my other serial consoles, > > FreeBSD or Linux. I also don't think it happened early on when this > > rpi4 was running raspbian for a brief time, but I didn't play with > > that setup very long. > > > > So far I believe it's avoidable by not watching the serial console > > during reboot, not necessary (I think) to disconnect the cable. But > > obviously that defeats the purpose of the serial console vs. a blind > > reboot. > > Hopefully "not watching" means disconnecting Rx and Tx from the GPIO > pins. If it means not looking at the display it's a whole 'nother story! > > 8-) Nothing is ever physically disconnected from the rpi4, if that's what you mean. Fyi my rpi4 serial console is via a "Serial Hat" which ultimately connects the appropriate GPIO pins to a db9 connector accessible outside the case, which is in-turn connected to my serial console server. "Not watching" in this context means I do not have an active connection to the serial console server port which communicates with the rpi4 db9 serial port. Somewhat analagous to not running tip/cu/minicom from your laptop or whatever system you use to connect to the rpi4 GPIO pins. Another note JIC: there are no keyboard, mouse, HDMI, or USB devices connected to any of the rpi4 ports. Only power, the serial console and a network cable. In that regard it is a neat little headless server, but unfortunately I don't really want to use it in production due to this issue. sr.