From nobody Fri May 19 11:42:16 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-arm@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QN4hM1R4Zz4Bqrf for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 11:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samm@freebsd.org) Received: from reindeer.net-art.cz (reindeer.net-art.cz [IPv6:2001:15e8:110:513c::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "reindeer.net-art.cz", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QN4hL0w78z4YmD for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 11:42:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samm@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2001:15e8:110:513c::1 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of samm@freebsd.org) smtp.mailfrom=samm@freebsd.org; dmarc=none Received: by reindeer.net-art.cz (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CA1BD5F039; Fri, 19 May 2023 12:42:16 +0100 (BST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on reindeer X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_SOFTFAIL,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from owl.net-art.cz (unknown [IPv6:2a03:6920:0:10::101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "owl.net-art.cz", Issuer "R3" (not verified)) by reindeer.net-art.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64A2B5EEB7; Fri, 19 May 2023 12:42:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from [::1] (account samm@net-art.cz HELO webmail.net-art.cz) by owl.net-art.cz (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.20) with ESMTPA id 1809924; Fri, 19 May 2023 13:42:16 +0200 List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arm List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 13:42:16 +0200 From: Alex Samorukov To: Jason Bacon Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VirtualBox In-Reply-To: <5d6eb34c-a624-0d75-06d5-550d0567a2ae@gmail.com> References: <202305181358.34IDwX6o088856@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> <5d6eb34c-a624-0d75-06d5-550d0567a2ae@gmail.com> Message-ID: X-Sender: samm@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.03 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.93)[-0.935]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arm@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24806, ipnet:2001:15e8::/32, country:CZ]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all:c]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[samm]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QN4hL0w78z4YmD X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N >> > > For lack of available info, I naively tried booting the aarch64 disc1 > ISO, which not surprisingly didn't work. Not even sure if this is the > right approach, but it seems like the intuitive one the the average > VirtualBox user. I think it would be ideal if the experience were the > same as for x86. Just try UTM :) Again, VirtualBox is a road to nowhere - it emulates x86 on aarch. Of course, performance will be terrible, as well as emulation quality. KVM just works, and if you need UI - UTM works pretty well for me, at least. And you will get near-native speed, as it is arm64 guest on arm64 host which uses native macOS virtualisation framework.