From nobody Mon Mar 20 20:47:53 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-arm@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PgRdR67WQz40F1T for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2023 20:47:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PgRdR3xN0z3kYH; Mon, 20 Mar 2023 20:47:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1679345275; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=0itrvlllmldSkMRhLCURn6+myZnb8V0z45NNt7wDnn8=; b=NjZMO3O5b4TG55EzFN6iXBTL+iYsr3QQ5pL+VWr1yEMmlmcrMlHRukDpGh8C6Ld20bhnIt aWrPACW/hf0q/OuXred6cu023UGjuU1gngFS+G6yjssm1WHBK7Dm5twJ06Z/Tn0avbxXZE O/1nbCHbTm1SLN3SBf+32K6Q3BrGgMsggPNkIOyhUeqq6con4UQh/JLZJrkxG2wSdLpkUE EMwBNJErbwRm+n0l0lxBfnCnWSpxffvRFvrS0/ImbEdpdPJlsp2jJft417mXeVJ2hZGLjO ffLTU/K8jLcUdjpSkfe4CUZ/4cemkFPk4q+TAgSqtvsD18uI7dJinruaGkemug== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1679345275; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=0itrvlllmldSkMRhLCURn6+myZnb8V0z45NNt7wDnn8=; b=Nu1SiLovxg8MHI+lB6Dxtf0IJceO0b68bVFgA33ZCKo7BMkqlPtz6MYJL/7BiRG+zUINOx NZilAeAlQJoyiRsDtJ54YGH5pX0GTk8iL/rjE4zekSr0+8A4TRj0vxuwKxx4gpTY135kPS T1cwEEOnkVefjBgsYtux2Q98UMSyIZ/gpwY1EfSLFLVeB1D/+9phIAQIqIwLx66LuMD6ce i1cZTZs0uwJ3X22mlIBtqVgGJLQrm9ywfT1Fj4l1TkjYVTOnGG6qLnj1Aee/Esgbam9vyE 5mZpsGnEyfvJrRnFgivrWhPQ/lYlF0JY6julcLXXVtp1oXAUUg9blWxhzUjCBA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1679345275; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=rnlSDHyIbsTs/sRoJmirdPREsm9Ex6KzRxSuKOrqNKBByT1T1qi35vItJkXhzFVdTZP3Qh N4fKVEp4W++HLQnBxXNSapt9AMTXsdbFClYxHqtd0wNoo1R+towVhbKjspMU5kfhdOPY8U UQlAXN148nAcSRz6XFDL5I51bWbb7O01mseIbnToUBDzyWI/++JnyFth957NmB9iap5c7U AquwqDYPca4ipt5LQlBDvylfXTK9kdlAo1YTJJbcY6xFDSlRFHyjieG7upVEd0Lv8ZLLXH RPWMUzq8oPkd2IcfuFkGVZtd8EZAQfPwGWnQM1ltL5Wd3FgIzEKj95S7LPYu8A== Received: from FreeBSD.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16E312441; Mon, 20 Mar 2023 20:47:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2023 20:47:53 +0000 From: Glen Barber To: Warner Losh Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Poudriere friendly armv7 relases Message-ID: <20230320204753.GY2347@FreeBSD.org> References: <20230320202847.GW2347@FreeBSD.org> List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arm List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yBbBYFH0ZHvzMoI/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --yBbBYFH0ZHvzMoI/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 02:38:34PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 2:28=E2=80=AFPM Glen Barber wro= te: > > That said, I can take a look and see if we can package base.txz for > > armv7, however I would like to do some archaeology work here to be sure > > that the resultant output is not going to have unexpected behavior > > because of the userland not matching 100% the target SoC. > > >=20 > These days, everything FreeBSD builds is identical on supported harndware. > We assume the boards can do UEFI after whatever weird thing they > need to get that going, and all that crazy has been relegated to the > uboot ports, and no longer intrudes into how we build stand (though some > crazy people might build stand for such platforms, it's so niche (eg a > couple > of routers that don't run our binaries ever) at this point that we > shouldn't worry > about it for releases). >=20 > We've evolved to a point where the benefit for being able to build poudri= ere > jails from release artifacts out-weights the couple of users being slight= ly > inconvenienced on their legacy platforms (and it hasn't been clear those > platforms will ever be updated to 14). >=20 Ok, let's discuss this further after 13.2 is done. Note, we're about a month from the start of the 14.0 cycle, but it sounds to me that once a solution is in place, things should "just work" from that point. 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