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From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 19:18:35 -0700 Cc: "freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <54AFC504-FC92-4FA7-A061-7226E3DD256C@yahoo.com> References: <20220602230000.GL30607@FreeBSD.org> <20220603000428.GM30607@FreeBSD.org> <00729D21-5971-4595-B1D5-D8AAC8F98B97@yahoo.com> To: "Wall, Stephen" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4LDmlW2xDfz3mjr X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yahoo.com header.s=s2048 header.b=WNDwlom2; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=yahoo.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of marklmi@yahoo.com designates 98.137.69.31 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=marklmi@yahoo.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.38 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.12)[0.116]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.69.31:from]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arm]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 2022-Jun-2, at 18:23, Wall, Stephen wrote: > Thanks for the replies, I guess I could have been clearer. I am = interested in both base system and packages, and 64-bit arm (aarch64). >=20 >> aarch64 ports are built into packages via aarch64 hardware, but = targeting armv7 >> and armv6 for port builds is via amd64 and qemu for producing the = packages. >=20 > Do you know what aarch64 hardware is used? I have found cross = building aarch64 packages on amd64 with qemu in poudriere is = excruciatingly slow, and some ports just won't build that way. (17 hrs = for ghc, 12 for gcc10, rust fails entirely. Besides that, a few others = I would like to build need support for ARM to be added, and I am no ARM = guru.) The aarch64 (arm64) package-building servers are: http://ampere1.nyi.freebsd.org/ http://ampere2.nyi.freebsd.org/ The "ampere" part of the names likely names the company that they come from. But I've no clue of the details of the configurations of the servers. A recent recommendation for aa aarach64 developer machine was made in a bugzilla report exchange: QUOTE https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D261977 --- Comment #45 from Piotr Kubaj --- . . . (In reply to Robert Clausecker from comment #43) . . . Regarding your earlier question for a capable ARM hardware, I'd consider getting something like https://www.ipi.wiki/products/ampere-altra-developer-platform . END QUOTE Note: ampere naming again. No claim that the hardware matches the FreeBSD aarch64 package-builder hardware. Separate note: if you look at the build times on the FreeBSD servers, note that the build configuration used limits the builds to 2 make jobs per builder and the number of builders is smaller than the number of hardware threads, if I remember right. (Not unique to aarch64 for such configuration properties.) =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com