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A major difference is that there is no one actively supporting any RPi* for FreeBSD internals any more as far as I know, much less for the ARM11 based RPi*'s. By contrast there are multiple people that have been working in/on powerpcspe for FreeBSD internals, if I understand right. (Less sure for plain 32-bit powerpc at this point. And, absent access to hardware, I no longer track the details for any powerpc* .) > Literally *millions* of the rpi1b+ and its analogues were sold. They > are durable boards, and they'll belong mainly to hobbyists. And as > you say, they are still being made. Does FreeBSD *really* want to = remove > themselves from this audience? Effectively the lack of active FreeBSD internals folks that target support of RPi*'s makes the availability of RPi*'s not that relevant. This is even more true of the ARM11 variants, with less informal support. FYI: ARM11 B+ and A+ based RPi*'s are available and some are in stock: = https://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-model-b-2.html?cid=3Dusd&src=3Draspbe= rrypi = https://vilros.com/collections/raspberry-pi-boards/products/raspberry-pi-m= odel-b-plus?src=3Draspberrypi Out of stock include: https://www.pishop.us/product/raspberry-pi-model-b-plus/?src=3Draspberrypi= https://www.adafruit.com/product/1914?src=3Draspberrypi A+ only but out of stock: https://www.okdo.com/us/p/raspberry-pi-1-model-a/ One place I looked at indicated that the A+ was discontinued: https://www.adafruit.com/product/2266?src=3Draspberrypi But https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/ does not indicate that (yet?). I got to the above places via use of https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/ and where it listed alternative sources for buying such. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar)