From nobody Thu Jun 03 17:55:50 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-arm@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01BC1368F93 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2021 17:56:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from george+freebsd@m5p.com) Received: from mailhost.m5p.com (mailhost.m5p.com [74.104.188.4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "m5p.com", Issuer "R3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FwtqS0Mnnz4SjH for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2021 17:56:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from george+freebsd@m5p.com) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:15ff::26] (court.m5p.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:15ff:0:0:0:26]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailhost.m5p.com (8.16.1/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 153Htp1p036837 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2021 13:55:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from george+freebsd@m5p.com) Subject: Re: Oversimplification To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org References: <35728cba-0152-9b73-77f9-48683e870bbd@m5p.com> From: George Mitchell Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 13:55:50 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.9.1 List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arm List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9f1IzstVup9Skd3w9Z2U0qBe91SaroCYs" X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=10.0 tests=HELO_MISC_IP,HELO_NO_DOMAIN, NICE_REPLY_A autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.5 (2021-03-20) on mattapan.m5p.com X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FwtqS0Mnnz4SjH X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of george@m5p.com designates 74.104.188.4 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=george@m5p.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.80 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.40)[-0.396]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[74.104.188.4:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:701, ipnet:74.104.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/mixed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-arm@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[m5p.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[74.104.188.4:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arm] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --9f1IzstVup9Skd3w9Z2U0qBe91SaroCYs Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="xJ9DMOt06DKaCnp1A6SYgMLV0lm9n4uYx"; protected-headers="v1" From: George Mitchell To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: Oversimplification References: <35728cba-0152-9b73-77f9-48683e870bbd@m5p.com> In-Reply-To: --xJ9DMOt06DKaCnp1A6SYgMLV0lm9n4uYx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/3/21 2:20 AM, Peter Jeremy via freebsd-arm wrote: > On 2021-May-30 17:49:01 -0400, George Mitchell =20 wrote: >> I've never been shy about oversimplifying complex questions, so here >> goes: What's the ARM system that presents the least hassle to a >> prospective FreeBSD user? Here's what I mean by low hassle: >> >> 1. Widely available. >> 2. Runs some standard FreeBSD image with minimal (or no) tweaking. >> 3. I suspect ARM64 means less hassle than ARM32. >> 4. Friendly to an external high-speed (at least USB 3; possibly SATA?)= >> disk. >> 5. Hopefully 8GB on-board memory, though 4GB is probably okay if high >> speed swapping is available (see point 4). >> 6. Affordable, but not cheap. >=20 > I'll second Milan's followup. I have a 4GB RockPro64 with the > dual-SATA PCIe card and am quite happy with it. It also supports > both USB-3 and USB-C, though I haven't experimented with either. >=20 > Note that the WiFi/Bluetooth module for the RockPro64 uses SDIO, > and the combination isn't yet supported by FreeBSD. >=20 > I also have a BananaPi M1, which has an integral SATA port but I've > never managed to get the SATA to work. >=20 Thanks for the additional data point! -- George --xJ9DMOt06DKaCnp1A6SYgMLV0lm9n4uYx-- --9f1IzstVup9Skd3w9Z2U0qBe91SaroCYs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="OpenPGP_signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_signature" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- wsF5BAABCAAjFiEENdM4ZHktsJW5kKZXwRES3m+p4fkFAmC5F6YFAwAAAAAACgkQwRES3m+p4fla sA/+PCm6RIk6xwRimqUbNzQ2c4iNGVbNGmnVi64Pn9LhiocPortPWIwucPi/SnfODqGsMViysXde hdB82nQt3j3AOkpvyZ27zfDs/mhZzG9GtH86e3BxzsDs2Q3uyuVTm8jjC2J8OE6AGkbtK46dB/Fq krp+mWjLWnfi/FXN9OfzXI6Fn8eSL0KA8H7O14XNSN7+/yZ2OC5/Tf9W8m0pwEhmAoPS5u7b5OTp dpQlyEuEA6q7NEr2zRp2z5wHWfGaEVIp7zQuKVFGWb2eaQAAWC33mbvqjelo9j16OJWVeMQ/QRqj VIqXKsq0+3bYephnN5aOhu1LUoYW8Ywp6+181YtSXHbfKVog8u8LbU/b1eVm7mtLsh1a/41n19Gi WiEg5rEHx8m0qsJQ+977ClDIbnLRQSjB+OIeGEpHTNHqttKgM3fN1gNyqGyuHItkC7pSUEbEIs65 RrTT4TgCi90C3TzSvVRCEaqUP9iM8ycdhaEgKBMjhEcE8z+2zeyA8v0m3Jy9ZZRBPS/E1NqiSd3h BRm9tV1867/nmVHsACbECxmmTrtEENlttr2sLw5Zt++KpcBUFtjheyBbp1lhl7CD7J1myB5ZSiAq m7XeX+qBKzzqCYyGLj7W6iO6xzXk3s8asfDUDHcHWhO7wFjEYh2+EP66rKGF+ZMywEJ8HKkdjKGf 5gg= =yF9F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9f1IzstVup9Skd3w9Z2U0qBe91SaroCYs--