From nobody Wed Jun 02 17:34:58 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-arm@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E70DFEAFC for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2021 17:35:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from george+freebsd@m5p.com) Received: from mailhost.m5p.com (mailhost.m5p.com [74.104.188.4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "m5p.com", Issuer "R3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FwGPl1kqHz4SLG for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2021 17:35:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from george+freebsd@m5p.com) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:15ff::26] (court.m5p.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:15ff:0:0:0:26]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailhost.m5p.com (8.16.1/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 152HYx8r031727 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2021 13:35:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from george+freebsd@m5p.com) Subject: Re: Oversimplification To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org References: <35728cba-0152-9b73-77f9-48683e870bbd@m5p.com> <20210602131355.0edf2167@zeta.dino.sk> From: George Mitchell Message-ID: <985a5668-de53-66b5-c82e-568697d896ab@m5p.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 13:34:58 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.9.1 List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arm List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210602131355.0edf2167@zeta.dino.sk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PGWuHAAScxWhGoulUmULFPRJMJ8hr0RFQ" X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=10.0 tests=HELO_MISC_IP,HELO_NO_DOMAIN, NICE_REPLY_A autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.5 (2021-03-20) on mattapan.m5p.com X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FwGPl1kqHz4SLG X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of george@m5p.com designates 74.104.188.4 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=george@m5p.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.42 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.02)[-0.017]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[74.104.188.4:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:701, ipnet:74.104.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/mixed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-arm@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[m5p.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[74.104.188.4:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arm] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --PGWuHAAScxWhGoulUmULFPRJMJ8hr0RFQ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="UDdhORyM4XHLwXIDXuTFThEWFHP56cZ4c"; protected-headers="v1" From: George Mitchell To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Message-ID: <985a5668-de53-66b5-c82e-568697d896ab@m5p.com> Subject: Re: Oversimplification References: <35728cba-0152-9b73-77f9-48683e870bbd@m5p.com> <20210602131355.0edf2167@zeta.dino.sk> In-Reply-To: <20210602131355.0edf2167@zeta.dino.sk> --UDdhORyM4XHLwXIDXuTFThEWFHP56cZ4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/2/21 7:13 AM, Milan Obuch wrote: > On Sun, 30 May 2021 17:49:01 -0400, George Mitchell > wrote: >=20 >> I've never been shy about oversimplifying complex questions, so here >> goes: What's the ARM system that presents the least hassle to a >> prospective FreeBSD user? Here's what I mean by low hassle: >> >> 1. Widely available. >> 2. Runs some standard FreeBSD image with minimal (or no) tweaking. >> 3. I suspect ARM64 means less hassle than ARM32. >> 4. Friendly to an external high-speed (at least USB 3; possibly SATA?)= >> disk. >> 5. Hopefully 8GB on-board memory, though 4GB is probably okay if high >> speed swapping is available (see point 4). >> 6. Affordable, but not cheap. >> >> And next on my Santa list ... -- George >> >=20 > Did you consider RockPro64 from pine64.com? Two models are available, > with 2 GB RAM and 4 GB RAM. There is PCIe x4 slot, USB ports (3.0 and > 2.0, four total), so your prerequisites are probably met. Also, you can= > download FreeBSD-13.0-RELEASE-arm64-aarch64-ROCKPRO64.img.xz from > FreeBSD ftp site and start. >=20 > I could test it in past for some days and it worked. I did not have > opportunity to test what could be connected to PCIe slot, but from the > same vendor some cards could be had as well - dual SATA-II or M.2/NGFF > interface card. >=20 > Just one a bit odd detail using stock image - console line speed was > 1.5 Mb/s. I spent some time figuring this. 4 GB version currently out > of stock, unfortunately. >=20 > They are preparing Quartz64 card, up to 8 GB RAM, no ETA yet. >=20 > Regards, > Milan >=20 Thanks for the response! -- George --UDdhORyM4XHLwXIDXuTFThEWFHP56cZ4c-- --PGWuHAAScxWhGoulUmULFPRJMJ8hr0RFQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="OpenPGP_signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_signature" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- wsF5BAABCAAjFiEENdM4ZHktsJW5kKZXwRES3m+p4fkFAmC3wUIFAwAAAAAACgkQwRES3m+p4fkw DA//ZNCCBTZI+03Xzd1cYKvWEhenMSlVCCXkcJlT436aXVk4iOiaBVeG73EbyoN57s3M/JT1+SwK kbsOwvKa2B4q4LJDYPiK16+sQxcyH2CVP5IZDIw04Ihdz1EWh3MwGBiRGpRNDqAJMCOZ8EyPWWy+ o08pEO3X7SkXoPgaj8PfSPDKNGp9dWbhasTbkk07JMxPzTGOyW50J72m2O3qnh0O/YxNH0DrmXrR bDvr8YGVcWABAmG/LUXSIHEgWnyUZ6Yn7dwQezq3w84kyCfXwN2dSA89dYYxd+ZTzeS1aa5Z2mVp n2Yxq1TeoKg/m7PWx6d3WDLvBFAWBWb5RWCnMZBlCn3x55RyRcvMJG476bTbC77FgNyqrx9vzVd1 DgDVJ1MjS6YbYov14a98yng4Le11eALNwKhfF6Ks0+aucr76q9TGq/FqqH/FLJARY6SLGajumfYp z6tTQP/wx8lcLGgBc7mhSXjzg90QVBPlVqg1L/lhhqQuiatBNPDcQ3W8kmd1VZ3oD618ViglMvhv REEDGPKcpDZudOHxKE8il21DHMtld1KbuoKDCPWQhUNRcz1zUZoUgu+rnI1w3EhH7pZmjqwNRA4F XL8h5JFegnmvx8WCoJWMi/PGJNFSvOep4sIXLr4WtwWlfJoxoXcuN7Ny1av0KSNGkUiIUijMYs50 Jng= =HTJF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PGWuHAAScxWhGoulUmULFPRJMJ8hr0RFQ--