From nobody Mon May 13 18:23:40 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VdSYC6MCyz5Kkcm for ; Mon, 13 May 2024 18:23:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from omta002.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net (omta002.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net [3.97.99.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VdSYC1h0Dz4VGg for ; Mon, 13 May 2024 18:23:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of cy.schubert@cschubert.com has no SPF policy when checking 3.97.99.33) smtp.mailfrom=cy.schubert@cschubert.com Received: from shw-obgw-4004a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.227]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPS id 6TQksJ5QpdrxE6aKssW2mo; Mon, 13 May 2024 18:23:42 +0000 Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.66.152.170]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id 6aKqsO82aWhyf6aKrsAjRD; Mon, 13 May 2024 18:23:42 +0000 X-Auth-User: cschuber X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=MenPuI/f c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=66425aae a=y8EK/9tc/U6QY+pUhnbtgQ==:117 a=y8EK/9tc/U6QY+pUhnbtgQ==:17 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=TpHVaj0NuXgA:10 a=7Qk2ozbKAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=EkcXrb_YAAAA:8 a=vFlytZMyU8xvk1uq6A8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=1lyxoWkJIXJV6VJUPhuM:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=LK5xJRSDVpKd5WXXoEvA:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE6310DB; Mon, 13 May 2024 11:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slippy (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F8F325; Mon, 13 May 2024 11:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 11:23:40 -0700 From: Cy Schubert To: Warner Losh Cc: Konstantin Belousov , henrichhartzer@tuta.io, Freebsd Arch Subject: Re: Disabling COMPAT_FREEBSD4/5/6/7/9 in default kernel configurations Message-ID: <20240513112340.64ebe859@slippy> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: KOMQUATS X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd15.0) List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfHQGdjZenuqGTCSdsSugCGWXy5M//xIoI7lranjrt+a1Da4gYVYA27fQnXMk298lPsQ7wyPJn+bmif+cCy2Uwyq5zdHTamY2jJa+MXEocajORh5pTUpX d32Gv99Uqtgx08x4trb2L0tQWFTVU5OWXxSyyEoLoljOCqtZ0keVgViFv9cUHMJxq1gEqI8ES4FX0iWhfk+xNTLzmaciRqmCl52o7u6hoVgVY31dA7SPlkyq f4X+VD8J6p6c7Ap2t5rx7rSaZu8fTa1aJU4dfhLMc+O+rYu/Y0qUcR9C86cdeS3W X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.68 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.982]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[3.97.99.33:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:3.96.0.0/15, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arch@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,tuta.io,freebsd.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cschubert.com]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VdSYC1h0Dz4VGg On Sat, 11 May 2024 08:01:05 -0600 Warner Losh wrote: > On Sat, May 11, 2024, 3:19=E2=80=AFAM Konstantin Belousov > wrote: >=20 > > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 01:38:38AM +0200, henrichhartzer@tuta.io wrote: > > > In my opinion, if all goes well, it may be wise to remove the old code > > in the next major version. Could do the full list, or just FreeBSD 4 an= d 5 > > compatibility, for instance. Barring notable negative feedback, of cour= se. > > > > Strongly disagree. You are breaking ABI compat for users, for what gai= n? > > > > I do not care about disabling options in GENERIC (but then they must ap= pear > > in LINT). > > >=20 >=20 > This sums up my view as well. Fine to not be in GENERIC, but removal is a > bridge too far. >=20 > Warner >=20 Agreed. --=20 Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: https://FreeBSD.org NTP: Web: https://nwtime.org e^(i*pi)+1=3D0