From nobody Wed Apr 24 07:05:42 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VPVPq0Pb1z5JyD4 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2024 07:05:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joel@vnode.se) Received: from oden.vnode.se (oden.vnode.se [45.76.82.188]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (P-384) client-digest SHA384) (Client CN "oden.vnode.se", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VPVPp5RDdz4hRq; Wed, 24 Apr 2024 07:05:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joel@vnode.se) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ymer.vnode.se (81-231-98-9-no600.tbcn.telia.com [81.231.98.9]) by oden.vnode.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8BB4E1F417; Wed, 24 Apr 2024 09:05:43 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=vnode.se; s=mail; t=1713942343; bh=h/Y2Wvm+UvmRHhprrtta+n0f3lpFeWcEYkCLYWYC3iI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=LfYtopaO44JsTXINkhJ1LNHNuZc/Q+1J2qn7oa8SdHLXVjOVk0wHdCazyJ0jqQqmj 3AQ8sqXziuFsLjrR8M/YpOxmJ2lZvoVJVW4zecdB052LZ3YYVZk+BESmIul/cZ0Q8u T+P/RVaRjia3FPK05y5kexq5hG1VJ2RupVOAOknc= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2024 09:05:42 +0200 From: Joel Dahl To: Christos Margiolis Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sound(4) purge candidates Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Christos Margiolis , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org References: <2b2zwiosyb24s7upkscrgmfws7j2f7fpytwyj2s2kgfhjut2bv@fziwor46qcgi> List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:45.76.80.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VPVPp5RDdz4hRq On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 11:49:46PM +0200, Christos Margiolis wrote: > Joel Dahl wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 07:32:50PM +0200, Christos Margiolis wrote: > > > I compiled the following list of PCI drivers that we could possibly > > > purge. I've included the drivers that have either never been referenced > > > in NYC*BUG dmesgd [1] or whose last reference is prior to 2010. > > > > FWIW, I still have my old snd_es137x, snd_fm801, snd_solo, snd_csa, and snd_cmi cards. I > > test them from time to time and they still work (about ~2 years ago at least). > > Interesting. I would expect the drivers to work, as you said, but the > rationale behind my email is more like, do we want to keep supporting > these cards in the first place? Is there demand for them? Ed got rid of > the ISA drivers a while ago as well, so I'm thinking whether we might > want to start cleaning up our PCI drivers as well. Are these drivers preventing development in the sound area? Do they increase the maintenance burden? When I look at the code I don't see much git activity in any of the drivers for the past 10 years or so. But the drivers still do seem to work (at least for the cards I have). -- Joel