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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 0755ef16a79b9355a74164382ab50063; Sun, 28 May 2023 16:08:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.400.51.1.1\)) Subject: Re: Future of 32-bit platforms (including i386) Message-Id: <00E63ECC-2E7B-4C9F-9903-A8BD67278C00@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2023 09:08:32 -0700 To: Emmanuel Vadot , freebsd-arch X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.400.51.1.1) References: <00E63ECC-2E7B-4C9F-9903-A8BD67278C00.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.23 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.73)[-0.726]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.64.148:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arch@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.64.148:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QTk9c3Tc1z3J2H X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Emmanuel Vadot wrote on Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 06:35:55 UTC : > . . . >=20 > I personnaly see armv7 in "degraded maintainance mode" since 13.0, > nothing really intersting was added, no new SoC support even if there > was some interesting one that we could support, no new drivers for > supported platforms. We even lost TI BeagleBone support because no one > really have the time to keep support up to date. > I still have some little cute boards that I want to use from time to > time but the lack of proper porting of new language (like rust and = iirc > go have problems too) is making new software unusable on those boards > (you can't even make some "smart speaker" for spotify as all the > spotify clients are in rust). > IMX6 support is stalled since ian@ passed away and mmel@ isn't very > active atm and they were both the most actives developers for armv7 = low > level code. One of the things for tier 2 is: (from https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/committers-guide/#archs 21.4. Tier 2 section) QUOTE Collectively, developers are required to provide the following to maintain the Tier 2 status of a platform: =E2=80=A2 Tier 2 architectures must have an active ecosystem of = users and developers. END QUOTE Is there an implication that, even for 14, the "developers" part of that for armv7 has dropped off to the point that tier 2 would reasonably be in question? =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com