From nobody Tue May 23 06:00:53 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QQNwb0M4Pz4T5ps for ; Tue, 23 May 2023 06:01:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hps@selasky.org) Received: from mail.turbocat.net (turbocat.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:c17:6c4b::2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QQNwZ1pbMz41Vl for ; Tue, 23 May 2023 06:01:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hps@selasky.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hps@selasky.org designates 2a01:4f8:c17:6c4b::2 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=hps@selasky.org; dmarc=none Received: from [10.36.2.145] (unknown [46.212.121.255]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.turbocat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C175F2609C9; Tue, 23 May 2023 08:00:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <08ba506f-66c5-35eb-e992-ecf9dfeccf93@selasky.org> Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 08:00:53 +0200 List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.10.1 Subject: Re: [RFC] An idea for general kernel post-processing automation in FreeBSD From: Hans Petter Selasky To: Warner Losh Cc: Konstantin Belousov , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" References: <394775eb-1000-60d9-2ddd-5c2aca6c99ea@selasky.org> Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.28 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.983]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:mail.turbocat.net]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arch@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f8::/32, country:DE]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[selasky.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QQNwZ1pbMz41Vl X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Hi Warner, When you make systems and use them, you get bound by them. If a system makes a certain solution advantageous, it gets chosen, independent if it is a good solution or not. The reason for our disagreement is simply this: You are thinking like a politican and want to be popular in the current system of FreeBSD. I'm thinking like a mathematican regardless of what makes me popular in the current system of FreeBSD. Why not state that from the start? Implementing Quick Sort in qsort() and using that everywhere is a political decision. This is not a technical fight, it is a political fight. --HPS