From nobody Mon Aug 14 19:08:18 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RPkSw0vLjz4Tt1x for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2023 19:08:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x52e.google.com (mail-ed1-x52e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RPkSv4T9kz4L8V for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2023 19:08:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ed1-x52e.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-525597d891fso2397087a12.3 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2023 12:08:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20221208.gappssmtp.com; s=20221208; t=1692040110; x=1692644910; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=w7nX1sZmWRFqTaswrVvhRLBX5xh12vBX352NPa4h8U0=; b=n3RPKFnv7+O/Jmoc/jhK0qTVcZ48DBR4Bq7mKifjsZcZV208vM7FKW3ZNRbmveqBcw QcPL9lVn7aaHmEFm1RZq+pk080UbanPPFNtLsnBPVNBj/QrYcer8ifWKGlfD9Gugl+uN 5W218dPf9RYnmtk91ctivuH0tvGS0bUuihLCIcns+/ZQ5IiwMWRIOoGUyL34k6QzTAEm IymmwgCNTK0u5mj5Hc/TFEgc5MDDsXhqlulMRDnG91J4mGyldn2b1bI107snnReCMQol ep5ov2fZo9lb4o47yKsACEx9Og3Q5BsZ5k+uXpwwNaitYjF0cATCb3XA3Ja9Brvo5GcI awqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1692040110; x=1692644910; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=w7nX1sZmWRFqTaswrVvhRLBX5xh12vBX352NPa4h8U0=; b=G3Ba27Kjbdw76IG1HxNuMlUYfwNSvM3/32yHzoGnB39Y8LivnluKn37FAtTdKCnLPD AAFNd+94sBqC7jPzXeTh1RhFXX7C7zGjZvLHliaaG6O66Lf4qXwv10mfWn04AjJgURth hnRSLIFd13XIXr6JAQ1sgl0DAEK4H9VWLS2ZjEseXwQOqqIAGsYe768b+CaRCEWcqI/X SmOPCcTMGotFJNbiq/DDPrGBrXOCOo5CJg/dGzMhhMy91piWZ+6ZEgGcJmC5vUKSTgKY K/g6QPkoagu0AQ33UDYaQ2GpEc4hIinDUeRlr4lcbtFlyiVWxzlibSCp3GI3gFDHGyOr tb7A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzC9iXg5NFskqfELWrjedZdRaA69nAU75xZ7WGCv+dfJ5AKw36K A4pHKGDwAueDa6s81wFEv3THBFkYD06OtgYdIHhNRgEEl9ueLGq5 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEnjmByH4MpNJ6EPWtCW7OdumumJQ5gyTAUUR4gjltl76s8T0/nLpafO4xILdba6Z59UXFOlS54KF5I49VLqxE= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:d48b:0:b0:523:38f5:c5ad with SMTP id b11-20020aa7d48b000000b0052338f5c5admr8217311edr.20.1692040110121; Mon, 14 Aug 2023 12:08:30 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5a08b091-a1a5-1928-18e1-16c3bddb1a7f@FreeBSD.org> <20230524083555.632d968778e2d1c05a04359f@bidouilliste.com> <202305240653.34O6rrQX087539@critter.freebsd.dk> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 13:08:18 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Future of 32-bit platforms (including i386) To: Ed Maste Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , freebsd-arch Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b5d7f10602e6c974" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4RPkSv4T9kz4L8V X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] --000000000000b5d7f10602e6c974 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Aug 14, 2023, 1:05 PM Ed Maste wrote: > On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 02:53, Poul-Henning Kamp > wrote: > > > > The (only) reason I personally care about 32 bit arm is the BBB's > > two "PRU" co-processors and low power budget. > > It's likely too late for BBB already, it was removed from GENERIC in > 3416e102c4e9. > Yea... of course if someone updates its drivers for the evolution of the dts "standards" it could come back. Likely only a few days worth of tedious archeological digs into the linux kernel to see what changed... but so far nobody has stepped up to the relatively simple, but also tedious work. Warner > --000000000000b5d7f10602e6c974 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Aug 14, 2023, 1:05 PM Ed Maste <emaste@freebsd.org> wrote:
On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 02:53, Poul-Henning Kamp &= lt;phk@phk.freebsd.dk> wrote:
>
> The (only) reason I personally care about 32 bit arm is the BBB's<= br> > two "PRU" co-processors and low power budget.

It's likely too late for BBB already, it was removed from GENERIC in 3416e102c4e9.


Yea... of course if someone update= s its drivers for the evolution of the dts "standards" it could c= ome back. Likely only a few days worth of tedious archeological digs into t= he linux kernel to see what changed... but so far nobody has stepped up to = the relatively simple, but also tedious work.=C2=A0=C2=A0

Warner
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