From nobody Fri Oct 22 17:30:40 2021 X-Original-To: dev-commits-src-main@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9459517F1411; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 17:30:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) Received: from cell.glebi.us (glebi.us [162.251.186.162]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "cell.glebi.us", Issuer "cell.glebi.us" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4HbWb71lYPz3Bn7; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 17:30:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) Received: from cell.glebi.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cell.glebi.us (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 19MHUelL006018 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:30:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) Received: (from glebius@localhost) by cell.glebi.us (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 19MHUeO3006017; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:30:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: cell.glebi.us: glebius set sender to glebius@freebsd.org using -f Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:30:40 -0700 From: Gleb Smirnoff To: Ian Lepore Cc: Alexey Dokuchaev , Warner Losh , src-committers , "" , dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org Subject: Re: git: 225639e7db68 - main - vt: Disable bell by default Message-ID: References: <20211020134237.17596440e1fabda5d40f6985@bidouilliste.com> <20211021080214.GB77338@zxy.spb.ru> <99e7aecf-9ab7-8b8f-ff30-b5fce3e031c2@FreeBSD.org> <2d9f9df5958cec23b11d6e23e0b20c236db44574.camel@freebsd.org> List-Id: Commit messages for the main branch of the src repository List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/dev-commits-src-main List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2d9f9df5958cec23b11d6e23e0b20c236db44574.camel@freebsd.org> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4HbWb71lYPz3Bn7 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:59:28AM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote: I> On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 06:28 +0000, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: I> > > Our users aren't so unsophisticated as to be totally swayed by the I> > > choice of wording. I> > I> > This is not how it works Warner, you don't first offer biased poll I> > and then defend skewed results by appealing to observed ratio and I> > how smart your target audience is. I> I> Do you really believe different words would change the result from 4:1 I> against to some number in favor? Of course you don't, you're only I> complaining because your opinion is VERY CLEARLY the minority one. I don't think unbiased wording would affect voting result if we did the vote within developers@FreeBSD.org. But the vote with biased wording was placed on.. hold my beer! ... on TWITTER, the most unbiased platform in the world! So, Warner has 1280 followers and I would claim that many of them are not FreeBSD users, and some probably doesn't have idea what FreeBSD bell problem is. It was retweeted by 7 people, some of whom has hundreds of followers. Given twitter algorithms, the poll may show up even in feed of people who don't follow Warner or retwitters directly. You know, some people love to express their opinion on social media, so why not to click on the poll, to help those FreeBSD guys? To sum up, we are asking semi-random set of people a question charged with a correct answer. What would you expect? -- Gleb Smirnoff