From nobody Fri Oct 22 17:04:15 2021 X-Original-To: dev-commits-src-all@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD022180BF37; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 17:04:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4HbW0f39wfz4lfb; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 17:04:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id 19MH4GUM075995; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:04:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id 19MH4FDn075994; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:04:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <202110221704.19MH4FDn075994@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: git: 225639e7db68 - main - vt: Disable bell by default In-Reply-To: <20211021192020.6dcb95c1@ernst.home> To: gljennjohn@gmail.com Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:04:15 -0700 (PDT) CC: Gleb Smirnoff , Slawa Olhovchenkov , Emmanuel Vadot , src-committers@freebsd.org, dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org Reply-To: rgrimes@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] List-Id: Commit messages for all branches of the src repository List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/dev-commits-src-all List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4HbW0f39wfz4lfb X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N > On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:03:05 -0700 > Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:02:14AM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > S> > laptops. If somebody is using vt(4) instead of X on a laptop, then > > S> > > S> This change disable bell in X11 too. > > S> This is completly disable speaker bell. > > > > Are you sure? I haven't yet upgraded my desktop to this point, so can't test. > > How is that possible that vt(4) affects X11? > > > > He could be right. I don't use vt, but syscons also has a bell setting: > sysctl -d hw.syscons.bell hw.syscons.bell: enable bell > > With this set to 1 a ^G in xterm results in a beep. After setting the > sysctl to 0 a ^G in xterm produces no sound at all. I also suspect that this kills "visual bell" which is a bright flash of the terminal. We need to STOP these "I dont like the 20 year old defaults, so I am going to change them to what I like and use" It is NOT forward progress on making a better system, it is tilting at defaults, very long established defaults, that should probably just be left alone. I dont like a lot of the defaults on a lot of OS's, I tweak them to my needs. FreeBSD keeps tweaking things such that I have to tweak my tweaks to keep things as I see fit. THAT IS A POLA VIOLATION! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org