From nobody Fri Oct 22 06:28:22 2021 X-Original-To: dev-commits-src-all@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D7A17F4DFC; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 06:28:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4HbDtt1Pzlz4qTj; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 06:28:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1634884102; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=k0N9R22+Ecpb/SnnoiPv7mQYZQuedt+e+xLhK1Ukpzw=; b=nD0TIuYfOPjtTJReqSU3rUS8HFgfu1oJi8p7QFBcrCrwAKVRoiQ1zuy3GspLEhOgoZqJar H+BIvl7MGmdZ9AjiP/jy1hOcZou+/ohCKZdnEHSOLF/zbiW0Oi1qfHG1R23OXbqxtjpZXD 8aL9aZoIpxs1WLPvicjjZ+4hXWI5MJ4L0XgtOxkWwjYalTx9QqXva+xLPRLN0aW63+toU7 xwl/Q1H6YCwmCMK/dPImzwirc+pbueJ/9lTvc9zQ10eYt5qVGN282Yn5eaS2LNdJBdQm1b n6/4f9WC3aNUR90NOL0ELmn50OOaYZMxzyLoQX3DsL4jyLc1mxdSARuLXAJYtg== Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1033) id 15B9D8DDD; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 06:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 06:28:22 +0000 From: Alexey Dokuchaev To: Warner Losh Cc: src-committers , "" , dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org Subject: Re: git: 225639e7db68 - main - vt: Disable bell by default Message-ID: References: <20211019133700.77c0ca7ac488eb99df50551b@bidouilliste.com> <20211020095206.GA77338@zxy.spb.ru> <20211020134237.17596440e1fabda5d40f6985@bidouilliste.com> <20211021080214.GB77338@zxy.spb.ru> <99e7aecf-9ab7-8b8f-ff30-b5fce3e031c2@FreeBSD.org> List-Id: Commit messages for all branches of the src repository List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/dev-commits-src-all List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1634884102; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=k0N9R22+Ecpb/SnnoiPv7mQYZQuedt+e+xLhK1Ukpzw=; b=ZK88VP+4WsCeEEPTehxJb0xDDbU5/vY1GT74DBB0rgwDTdgOJpx1HQcKkjsrLKTft+waos uH45SlBS/q9gAFEU5SkFRLZJiEnE7PfRL5NAfcUhceKjTwGQwHEbUtbTdUDvzaaJAjO5cB MSgHps6fbYl8vJdFst/dYBKcN0z+vjS91qDL9n7azjBaahcEhM6ZvguzTjv6Ar5SybpDCg lttx+S1mbkaoQoC0D0UIKqnmyhOVkJ1s1Zv72iHvVXg6J16WSkrP9eiGrCKt/G4/AFdCOy 2yPheEXtIQxCgjEoRiL5ss5LhkKNlT9eU2HoVEDJ1nIPGFMzCxKLJH9/UxLBCw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1634884102; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=CFXI3llnv9Dc0fWtCaf9PL1p5gn1qtCoOYZN+QtsjQK/m2wRizHKff6psaBQNk18B8axsO fuFVFUA35yuicBGUXDOXu0q8K3B4AMbmi1PEhhVMVJrBF44+ngOJ2rzaePEkv+yex20961 H2snoUFQWCVWqDFuqXjteylyPrxFNhpolIY9WKBeXP3aI2qOSRK7D2X8NuJAvylo4mNTMC OEJ7Cmw1+8L3yp4vBO/FRDcihTFxsutgTR9AVCzxfVS7uFeoE6hV2yvyS3bBdtbdewb7G3 +fErsPsYhsiaunAcCmZa05ua0F9qfkuUvfTLxHcLhfs9/mDWfybASgst3E7ckg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 10:55:00PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 9:17 PM Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 01:52:26PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > > This discussion to date has been data free. I created a poll... > > > > > > https://twitter.com/bsdimp/status/1451274644439265308 > > > > You couldn't use neutral wording, could you? The poll is loaded > > with bias, this is not the way to collect answers. FWIW, FreeBSD > > itself does not make "loud, annoying noise", it simply instructs > > the underlying hardware to beep. You've asked if people enjoy > > loud, annoying beeps -- well, nobody does, but that's not what > > we're discussing here. > > FreeBSD controls the pitch and duration of the noise. And there's > at least one bug in it. > > [ technical details skipped ] > Since most people find music pleasing, that makes it objectively > annoying. A similar analysis for the other common tunings (where > A4 is one of 432, 436, 438, 440 (the most common these days), 442, > 444, and 446Hz) yields similar results with varying degrees of > subtonal dissonance. Good, so let's fix the bug and make emitted sound more pleasant by default, good catch! > Also, the poll is running 4 to 1 for silence by default. While any > bias in wording mighthave pushed it a little one way or the other, > when it's this lopsided it's hard to argue that such bias affected > the actual outcome. Or it could, should you have worded it differently, we don't know. > Our users aren't so unsophisticated as to be totally swayed by the > choice of wording. This is not how it works Warner, you don't first offer biased poll and then defend skewed results by appealing to observed ratio and how smart your target audience is. ./danfe