From nobody Wed Oct 20 06:25:10 2021 X-Original-To: dev-commits-src-all@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F148618052E4; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 06:25:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pstef@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4HZ0w66Ty9z4mYw; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 06:25:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pstef@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1634711110; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=K6/wPiEmG7Lhd2/D/NPX/Km8eOUwLUoQP4mP5U5xT60=; b=ONaglU0sBY4RhzGkJG1pvluJOZ+dx+E9WpIq9zUCbXej7v4lXbtXyRo+D5p3rOJ4h/ASgy /UvoTKm2QB/vPTovHwCB1cFxGx9hzxz8XAC2aQi741NMHcsQaUH9+6yFHxFJbzRVT56i9V zBpoTVkCdqKIWdJbi6iSEW9LM8megD3zF+J829AlZSmqu3lOGKlVl9m/OvGuXBtKnLhc1b TY5432VRI82y1Dxbq5sfUrRmaEQtbw4j33dWmLxnp5ZMcN7U4kCrrMbHGkL4kbZu64h0RF 6d9oosyZ8w5KuEzqW261aiSPJGTYOIPr8jrOUhkObx3COUr5M5FfzQQpYEpqew== Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1403) id C27611B116; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 06:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 06:25:10 +0000 From: "Piotr P. Stefaniak" To: Alexey Dokuchaev Cc: Kevin Bowling , Emmanuel Vadot , Slawa Olhovchenkov , src-committers , "" , "dev-commits-src-main@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: git: 225639e7db68 - main - vt: Disable bell by default Message-ID: References: <202110190738.19J7cFtw067994@gitrepo.freebsd.org> <20211019112132.GC80160@zxy.spb.ru> <20211019133700.77c0ca7ac488eb99df50551b@bidouilliste.com> List-Id: Commit messages for all branches of the src repository List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/dev-commits-src-all List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1634711110; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=K6/wPiEmG7Lhd2/D/NPX/Km8eOUwLUoQP4mP5U5xT60=; b=ZsMpIpTNukyY7gNlLtisjPfS7hppemSbxfLJKG6zwTdqWEL+ZNi3LuTyinRHdpjlRXYKX2 fttgnbBTcIu3Ypn5egatDU+TDDd6jePJGmfxoe1oU5aTU6DL1Ig5SiEySIW7loWB96SMEp c9UizzwYi6JoNjoOhWNSnDxkJhYpXXV+qd/pVaPXZvGXURLXPczdA/Tfo4L6178HPTqUUQ tmGZo9KHGjs/B0rztOurGXxZEzEVNOPCzMcZtAq92bKgnB0YfzrPiUQM1cVDhlq0qY5dvw TiX8Uqd2LwfSBnXsUzrIcKDS3RVytOIPccQP79BctyAFfETCk+on0p1vzYugKg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1634711110; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=cdG26VLQ0hoIxeZ1NEAij7EWHqTjoQQeVpwjNBHOWlfYgLRqAS+GAZuuO2FIm+7l/eMnmn vzGbLDK1lwYHEFUZFdb1JFXN3ulJatlrMXZNM2ipfY77BwduUfDdDIhO3FOiuzehPF6oqe ku9OGJk0Dr6Fy5RzCIsm/WySAgrmWQVi1V9DLCUC2Za3VT8UOtwrh28IOlL+PJ0R5gT7Cq X6olKxkI3lCOooPs5PU8BsZtxpxf6ov8yFbzmK06q+IIA+/jxe9j4UhJIRJP8TRSwqF+Lm 8KN0fHeh6g69euZgyZ8/C4SSFtiF+iYXdPfCzWACLG77X1sJBFRZIQRnw3AWew== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 2021-10-20 02:40:24, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: >On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 06:55:34PM -0700, Kevin Bowling wrote: >> >> I think a POLA violation here was that some equipment emits a >> jarringly loud noise, and rushing to turn that off is more stressful >> than the change of turning it on if you value it. > >If "some equipment" has a buzzer so annoying that it stresses one >enough that she gets lost as to how to turn it off then perhaps admin >of such equipment should complain to its vendor instead. When I installed FreeBSD on my laptop, I was mostly happy with how it worked, except it had an Astonishingly loud beeper. I had to waste Colin's time to learn about how to disable it. Me complaining to vendor of an old laptop won't buy us anything. In general, the defaults are really not for you or me. We use FreeBSD no matter what and whenever a setting is not what we like, we change it, or the sources. The defaults are for the people who don't have any FreeBSD configs yet and probably don't intend to write them for some time. Some people will want to grow their own configs over time, unless they're discouraged by the generally unfriendly look and feel of FreeBSD. Piotr