From nobody Fri Oct 14 16:36:44 2022 X-Original-To: dev-commits-ports-main@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4MpsV64KCgz4fpRh; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 16:36:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from madpilot@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4MpsV63qH1z3Gd3; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 16:36:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from madpilot@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1665765406; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=4VenAQ+Mkd59myv4a07vQrivRS4hUgRhWhoOJskVLDg=; b=HDjCEDheRs6Kr53ivbPXOgFUrmQZTJZMF44K789M2A/E7Ga09BfP4S+BNqK8uauFigc/5c GJp7MoWkcIKFOGixoxU1RKd6Fi09MaQEInx54x5wtK7Rq6EOxfdW0tmpYZqksZlH7HhJsy /TsJLKUzKPcBYxt4915wsrhmjkZ9UmRJJK8ViVlfCSI31pvkuE4mm3VuDZ7lGJAnw6EEXE /2sjocX54J89Dc7SnytLkqBNBB3Zzjajp4lf4xzeV57/QG7buB7kheOt9E6QdjMZwygc8A rGpuJJbxnMe7L0XRdJKFk2FNw+9txIy+7IdlbgGIKaKYmZTugEFzjOj0YCM/+A== Received: from [172.24.42.13] (host-79-47-131-203.retail.telecomitalia.it [79.47.131.203]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: madpilot/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4MpsV55bKRz1Dnt; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 16:36:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from madpilot@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <401a2019-9a32-9e75-a950-38e29e1c8288@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 18:36:44 +0200 List-Id: Commits to the main branch of the FreeBSD ports repository List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/dev-commits-ports-main List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-dev-commits-ports-main@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: dev-commits-ports-main@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.3.3 Content-Language: en-US To: Alexey Dokuchaev Cc: ports-committers@freebsd.org, dev-commits-ports-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-ports-main@freebsd.org References: <202210131824.29DIO985022530@gitrepo.freebsd.org> <934dc4ad-91df-2376-63e7-b82be53ecdb2@FreeBSD.org> From: Guido Falsi Subject: Re: git: cf75f452e94a - main - sysutils/conky: Update to 1.14.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1665765406; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=4VenAQ+Mkd59myv4a07vQrivRS4hUgRhWhoOJskVLDg=; b=oidxJGtyP/3l/Ij5yDQMCjOX8SkAPBKQbsw3N+wKAO9Ge/oheM5ittW9suX93sH4hgmr/a 1dv4HIODxIK4Z/WSaJ2blTlPHC/uHcWLvI4zhkSnrrrwzOQHmvNsPELeY05uXAPyBh3egk tLW8EWI4DJWvNDD9XbyaAvYm2Z8X2Qhe94mhS7WUdLybO05D2qR+YA7bVro4Bjkh1yDsrt DLr+jzM51iZpnsnrs8Yx1xzZ3PHbe5ecArnNeogV1ie+eOQyUHjyChDsbfif1ZdmLDlGO6 YNU6d7VEvJfZtUQM3CmHRJ85DEEic1R+u7XmgDuTMQSLEerdJyYsebD0Ez6o4Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1665765406; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=W9xpzohewp5wzCO8dftgZrs1eHMTTIuvU5MOhsSwKOJhM2xtPG58zjF1rq343+86JrAc04 /GhmvdFjIWkAf2uPUtICRm7tYY2rQo1oK4HtKWZihn4UEtTQRDOIST8hAWooBfYSnkk6MA 3BQmS4/0zEGlJ8IAJzwXRFeIN6qKoh9JgPHtM3G3O2uVUj98V9AwWZ3nYmPvlzjcjwjwG/ OVBrkg/+8TBnesuHNaWX89zDbVMGdCXfSeD2KJPSN8YBKgOFDukSGdmFZFTBpRNViEs1qZ QUNSllxtwrmIQo0IUEAqEiyV2B/GXddZtZTWbECWnpWQJayz16tZtJCRU7TLuA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 14/10/22 17:57, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 05:31:54PM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote: >> ... >> More practical part (conky case): >> >> Upstream now uses pandoc to generate the software man page. I did not >> even know pandoc existed up to yesterday. I am definitely unable to cook >> up a substitute. >> >> In the ports tree man pages are not part of DOCS, but a base component >> of a port, so I can't wrap the man page generation in the DOCS knob. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Adding a pre-generated man page to the port? Not sure it's a good idea, > > This is the best thing to do; if fact, that's part of the upstream's > job ideally. When grass was greener, software was released as properly > bootstrapped, so users won't have to bother building *documentation* > which does not fuckin' change. The result would 99% likely be the same > for user's of *BSD, GNU/Linux, or SunOS. We're in GitHub era now, and > people start to forget how to prepare good releases. We need to remind > them from time to time. > >> I should check that [the] man page gets generated the same on every >> release at least, and I'm sure at some point in the future I'll end up >> upgrading the port and forgetting to update the pre-generated man page. > > Right, that's why it should not be your job in the first place. Could > we try convincing upstream to ship pre-generated manpage? I don't agree with this analysis, so I will not fight this battle, but anyone is free to file bug reports with upstream. > >> For example one thing that annoys the hell out of me is seeing every >> software grow a dependency on some HTML5+js+multimedia rendering engine, >> often for very small gains. > > +1, this is annoying as hell. I don't know what those people are > thinking but this cancer spreads rapidly. > >> I will not be surprised the day something like less or ls will grow >> such a dependency. But I don't have time or resources to fight this. > > OTOH, the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men > to do nothing. (c) "evil" is a very strong definition for everything. Nietzche has a very good book on the subject whose title translation in most languages is "Beyond Good and Evil". I like that title (and most of the content too actually), and that title is also a good description of my attitude towards "evil". A dear friend of mine also insists on calling me "Dr. Hostile" [1], guess it figures. Maybe I should change my committer nickname! :) [1] as a pun on a character named "Dr. Strange" or "Dr. Evil" I guess, but I know very little about Marvel/DC comics characters -- Guido Falsi