From nobody Sat Jan 13 18:43:32 2024 X-Original-To: dev-commits-ports-all@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TC6k23RNkz56PP9 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2024 18:43:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net) Received: from smtp-42ad.mail.infomaniak.ch (smtp-42ad.mail.infomaniak.ch [IPv6:2001:1600:3:17::42ad]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "relay.mail.infomaniak.ch", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TC6k212PNz41Y6 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2024 18:43:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtp-3-0000.mail.infomaniak.ch (unknown [10.4.36.107]) by smtp-2-3000.mail.infomaniak.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TC6jw6Tt3zMpxb5; Sat, 13 Jan 2024 18:43:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from unknown by smtp-3-0000.mail.infomaniak.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4TC6jw3pq3z3W; Sat, 13 Jan 2024 19:43:32 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=pyret.net; s=20231006; t=1705171412; bh=Q0ibJwPNansRy4eNn4xwnx5mr8EW1+zrW/ejQXSx0Wg=; h=Date:Subject:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=qdmF/R6sj6hXOzEIGm3+VF2ypuRSDeEsHKW2bQqh2oTUXfQmu5MScYaDmUytxi4mV pWlzlLaneXb4uzli8rjSEWvtE22YW8Pid2D0q75VZesePy/6xfRQwoWoH0BMp5oUFl LK6geak6yFg9XzdLG72Swe6WJMW5N+kq3Bcxr5pTHMbv+t96nb5NohmUMHsTw0hYej 7ZEakIpDsm3lL6nChHqGDJLKMcUmXb/G29MMCWgOPrkbMC5T3Ypg9jSYUwLhSPuhIb nZSjsBwq9GjAX6+5vaa8sydmNuvfJwThMkglR69r+pj+pOjyiAQQYOQPa3LOp2uSXT 1MMsoclOtryUg== Message-ID: <30d803b8ab6713c88aa8fe2c0e516e51@mail.infomaniak.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2024 19:43:32 +0100 Subject: Re: git: 25e6f68a6661 - main - textproc/libxml2: Update to 2.11.6 From: Daniel Engberg Reply-To: Daniel Engberg To: Charlie Li Cc: Gleb Popov , ports-committers@freebsd.org, dev-commits-ports-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-ports-main@freebsd.org List-Id: Commit messages for all branches of the ports repository List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/dev-commits-ports-all List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-dev-commits-ports-all@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: dev-commits-ports-all@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_=_swift_1705171412_c086a9241248ee049129b2428ecf7797_=_" X-WS-User-Origin: eyJpdiI6ImVWZXUzWnkvaEZFcVhTcWh1VGJDR2c9PSIsInZhbHVlIjoibVNoM0hyNkpYWVdybldSd0dnejBjQT09IiwibWFjIjoiOTMzZWVkMTJmNzE5YmMxZTQ2YmIzMTI1YTE1YWU4MDJhZTdjNDBlNWFjMjMzNDM1NDNiNzcxYzkxZDFjZjY1ZCIsInRhZyI6IiJ9 X-WS-User-Mbox: eyJpdiI6InNhNlZod1dvZW5ScHlmdXl1ZW1JTkE9PSIsInZhbHVlIjoiR2xLamhhbW8zN25yL0d0NmlMdTZDUT09IiwibWFjIjoiOTNjZGRkZWJmNDViMDg3YTg4NTA4MjdiMzUwZWQxYTNhNjczNjlkZDIwMmRkZmQ1NmZmODEwNzM5ZDcyMzllNCIsInRhZyI6IiJ9 X-WS-Location: eJxzKUpMKykGAAfpAmU- X-Mailer: Infomaniak Workspace (1.3.620) References: <202401121705.40CH5JhG014492@gitrepo.freebsd.org> <02ebab1b-a763-45e4-9380-0d82c83c22a4@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: X-Infomaniak-Routing: alpha X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TC6k212PNz41Y6 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29222, ipnet:2001:1600::/32, country:CH] --_=_swift_1705171412_c086a9241248ee049129b2428ecf7797_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2024-01-13T18:46:34.000+01:00, Charlie Li wrote:= >=C2=A0Gleb=C2=A0Popov=C2=A0wrote: >>=C2=A0=C2=A0On=C2=A0Sat,=C2= =A0Jan=C2=A013,=C2=A02024=C2=A0at=C2=A04:37=C2=A0PM=C2=A0Charlie=C2=A0Li= =C2=A0 >>=C2=A0=C2=A0wrote: >>=C2=A0=C2=A0 >>>= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Until=C2=A0upstream=C2=A0specifically=C2=A0declares=C2= =A0and=C2=A0recommends=C2=A0CMake=C2=A0as >>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0ready= =C2=A0for >>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Unix-like= =C2=A0systems=C2=A0in=C2=A0at=C2=A0least=C2=A0their=C2=A0documentation,= =C2=A0nothing=C2=A0else >>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0is=C2=A0relevant. >>=C2= =A0=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0What=C2=A0makes=C2=A0you=C2=A0so=C2=A0categ= orical=C2=A0about=C2=A0it?=C2=A0Recommendations=C2=A0are, >>=C2=A0=C2= =A0well, >>=C2=A0=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0recommendations.=C2=A0The= =C2=A0upstream=C2=A0might=C2=A0even=C2=A0recommend=C2=A0nothing=C2=A0but = >>=C2=A0=C2=A0Linux. >>=C2=A0=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Should=C2=A0we= =C2=A0not=C2=A0port=C2=A0such=C2=A0software=C2=A0then? 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Hi, = That's a bit contractionary? We upstream patches, community and others= also do and yet there's a "support issue" despite autotools is "far fr= om it" (perfect)? Why not embrace instead of obstructing? Please keep in = mind ports is a joint / community effort which is why we have groups, gui= delines etc and for custom trees there's overlay support for who want or = need to diverge. Best regards, Daniel --_=_swift_1705171412_c086a9241248ee049129b2428ecf7797_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 2024-01-13T18:46:34.000+01:00, Charlie Li <vishwin@freebsd.org&g= t; wrote:
Gleb P=
opov wrote:
  On Sat, Jan 1=
3, 2024 at 4:37 PM Charlie Li <vishwin@freebsd.org> wrote:
 
 Until upstream specificall=
y declares and recommends CMake as ready for
 Unix-like syste=
ms in at least their documentation, nothing else is relevant.
  
 What makes you so categorical about it? Rec=
ommendations are, well,
 recommendations. The upstream might =
even recommend nothing but Linux.
 Should we not port such so=
ftware then?
 The Build Instructions section of =
the README specifically states 
"Autotools (for POSIX systems=
 like Linux, BSD, macOS)", even in the 
latest trunk. CMake w=
as originally added mainly for Windows support. 
Their CMake =
support on platforms like ours still has an outstanding bug 
=
pertaining to dependency resolution, which at least I consider a 
=

showstopper. While upstream have been accepting and responsive to any =

and all improvements to their CMake support, that is irrelev=
ant until 
they explicitly bless it as an equal to autotools.=
 (Not to say autotools 
is perfect either, far from it)

Personally, between the two choices here, I prefer =
CMake. But personal 
preferences are irrelevant wrt liability=
 and support issues.

-- 
Charlie=
 Li
...nope, still don't have an exit line.
Hi,

That's a bit contrac= tionary? We upstream patches, community and others also do and yet there's = a "support issue" despite autotools is "far from it" (perfect)? Why not emb= race instead of obstructing? Please keep in mind ports is a joint / communi= ty effort which is why we have groups, guidelines etc and for custom trees = there's overlay support for who want or need to diverge.

=
Best regards,
Daniel
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