From nobody Fri May 06 13:23:05 2022 X-Original-To: ctm-users@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C220C1AC9F99 for ; Fri, 6 May 2022 13:23:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "land.berklix.org", Issuer "land.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4KvrqY5lw2z57gd; Fri, 6 May 2022 13:23:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p4fe6d03e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.230.208.62]) (authenticated bits=128) by land.berklix.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 246DNQwP047198 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 6 May 2022 13:23:30 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id 246DNKch012509; Fri, 6 May 2022 15:23:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 246DN5Bo045538; Fri, 6 May 2022 15:23:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <202205061323.246DN5Bo045538@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Baptiste Daroussin cc: Philip Paeps , postmaster@FreeBSD.org, ctm-users@FreeBSD.org, Stephen Montgomery-Smith Subject: Re: removal of ctm delta mail lists on @freebsd.org From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com/jhs/ User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.org/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 05 May 2022 14:06:18 +0200." <20220505120618.2m7kkbaw2cl3vhi4@aniel.nours.eu> Date: Fri, 06 May 2022 15:23:05 +0200 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4KvrqY5lw2z57gd X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jhs@berklix.com has no SPF policy when checking 144.76.10.75) smtp.mailfrom=jhs@berklix.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[jhs]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.992]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[berklix.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[0.996]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[ctm-users]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:144.76.0.0/16, country:DE]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[FreeBSD.org,gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[79.230.208.62:received] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/ctm-users List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Thu, May 05, 2022 at 01:46:47PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > Hi Philip > > cc ctm-users@ > > > > Philip Paeps wrote: > > > On 2022-05-05 17:53:55 (+0800), Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > > Reminder to postmaster@freebsd.org No reply received > > > > > > Your message arrived. I've not had time to check. > > > > OK > > > > > At first glance it > > > looks like those lists were never migrated from mailman to mlmmj and we > > > stopped generating mailman aliases a while back. > > > > > > >> If you @freebsd.org have deleted some or all of those lists, please > > > >> let me > > > >> know & I will delete your addresses from the aliases list > > > >> above, & I would also delete from http://www.berklix.org/ctm/#list > > > > > > I think that's fine. > > > > OK Deleted from web page & aliases & newaliases has been run. > > You postmaster@freebsd.org will no longer receive bouncing ctm deltas. > > Thank you, I sent an email a while ago to developers@ stating that ctm* mailing > lists has been decommissioned. Maybe developers@ is some alias ? Not listed on https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/ https://lists.freebsd.org/ > I planned to decommission other ctm-* mailing > lists, but I don't remember who asked me to keep ctm-users. > > > > > >> BTW if CTM lists dont show up on freebsd.org mailman proves nothing > > > >> either way, > > > >> as a long time back (way before freebsd.org started migration from > > > >> mailman to whatever), > > > >> the admins of mailman on freebsd.org made the ctm delta lists hidden, > > > >> but they still worked. > > > > > > As far as we're concerned, ctm died with cvs, two revision control > > > migrations ago. > > > > Wrong. Perhaps that mis conception was common & helped discourage > > CTM. In fact CTM ran fine with SVN for years. CTM is still generating > > on all streams that are bled across from git to legacy svn. > > > > Maybe later I or someone else will get time to revise the CTM > > generator scripts for git. > > > > > It's a lot cheaper to reject spam directed at its > > > corpse with "mailbox doesn't exist" at the gate on mx1 than to let the > > > message get as far as mlmmj and reject or bounce it there. > > > > Well you will now only get spam directed at those lists, no real > > mail fed from ctm delta gnerator scripts, so by all means pipe them > > at /dev/null or whatever. > > > > Only exceptions: > > ctm-users@ this discussion list to continue please > > > > ctm-announce@ > > that list is useless & should be closed (if not > > already) Stephen the chief ctm generator had no > > password to announce to it, &/or preferred to use > > ctm-users@ He has retired from ctm, I'm running the > > ctm generator, I too have no password to send > > announcements to ctm-announce@, so it's long been > > useless. > > Yes that was the plan, and you confirm ctm-announce should be decommissioned. Yes, ctm-announce@ can be decommissioned, thanks, ( It won't be needed unless there's a big increase in CTM usage, which won't happen unless I or someone else converts ctm scripts to use git instead of svn, & may well not be needed even then as most people prefer the live Pull model rather than Push deltas by mail . ) > To moderate, you don't need a password anymore. (Didn't know that, I've only run majordomo & mailman2, not mlmmj ) > but I need the name of the > moderators. In the mailman setup neither you, nor Stephen were listed in the > moderators, or not explicitly at least. > > So either I decommission ctm-announce@ or I set you both as moderators. Up to > you. Names from ctm-users@ Tue, 13 Apr 2021 cc'd Stephen Montgomery-Smith "Julian H. Stacey" (in case you might prefer to first put ctm-announce@ on ice, then delete later) Cheers, -- Julian Stacey http://berklix.com/jhs/ http://stolenVotes.uk Arm Ukraine, kill Putin mass murderer causing global grain & fuel shortage.