Re: removal of ctm delta mail lists on @freebsd.org

On Thu, May 05, 2022 at 01:46:47PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> Hi Philip
> cc ctm-users@
> 
> Philip Paeps wrote:
> > On 2022-05-05 17:53:55 (+0800), Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> > > Reminder to postmaster@freebsd.org No reply received
> > 
> > Your message arrived.  I've not had time to check.
> 
> OK
> 
> > At first glance it 
> > looks like those lists were never migrated from mailman to mlmmj and we 
> > stopped generating mailman aliases a while back.
> > 
> > >> If you @freebsd.org have deleted some or all of those lists, please 
> > >> let me
> > >> know & I will delete your addresses from the aliases list
> > >> above, & I would also delete from http://www.berklix.org/ctm/#list
> > 
> > I think that's fine.
> 
> OK Deleted from web page & aliases & newaliases has been run.
> You postmaster@freebsd.org will no longer receive bouncing ctm deltas.

Thank you, I sent an email a while ago to developers@ stating that ctm* mailing
lists has been decommissioned. I planned to decommission other ctm-* mailing
lists, but I don't remember who asked me to keep ctm-users.
> 
> > >> BTW if CTM lists dont show up on freebsd.org mailman proves nothing 
> > >> either way,
> > >> as a long time back (way before freebsd.org started migration from 
> > >> mailman to whatever),
> > >> the admins of mailman on freebsd.org made the ctm delta lists hidden, 
> > >> but they still worked.
> > 
> > As far as we're concerned, ctm died with cvs, two revision control 
> > migrations ago.
> 
> Wrong.  Perhaps that mis conception was common & helped discourage
> CTM. In fact CTM ran fine with SVN for years.  CTM is still generating
> on all streams that are bled across from git to legacy svn.
> 
> Maybe later I or someone else will get time to revise the CTM
> generator scripts for git.
> 
> >  It's a lot cheaper to reject spam directed at its 
> > corpse with "mailbox doesn't exist" at the gate on mx1 than to let the 
> > message get as far as mlmmj and reject or bounce it there.
> 
> Well you will now only get spam directed at those lists, no real
> mail fed from ctm delta gnerator scripts, so by all means pipe them
> at /dev/null or whatever.
> 
> Only exceptions:
> 	ctm-users@ this discussion list to continue please
> 
> 	ctm-announce@
> 		that list is useless & should be closed (if not
> 		already) Stephen the chief ctm generator had no
> 		password to announce to it, &/or preferred to use
> 		ctm-users@ He has retired from ctm, I'm running the
> 		ctm generator, I too have no password to send
> 		announcements to ctm-announce@, so it's long been
> 		useless.

Yes that was the plan, and you confirm ctm-announce should be decommissioned.

To moderate, you don't need a password anymore, but I need the name of the
moderators. In the mailman setup neither you, nor Stephen were listed in the
moderators, or not explicitly at least.

So either I decommission ctm-announce@ or I set you both as moderators. Up to
you.

Best regards,
Bapt