Re: removal of ctm delta mail lists on @freebsd.org

Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> On Thu, May 05, 2022 at 01:46:47PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> > Hi Philip
> > cc ctm-users@
> > 
> > Philip Paeps wrote:
> > > On 2022-05-05 17:53:55 (+0800), Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> > > > Reminder to postmaster@freebsd.org No reply received
> > > 
> > > Your message arrived.  I've not had time to check.
> > 
> > OK
> > 
> > > At first glance it 
> > > looks like those lists were never migrated from mailman to mlmmj and we 
> > > stopped generating mailman aliases a while back.
> > > 
> > > >> If you @freebsd.org have deleted some or all of those lists, please 
> > > >> let me
> > > >> know & I will delete your addresses from the aliases list
> > > >> above, & I would also delete from http://www.berklix.org/ctm/#list
> > > 
> > > I think that's fine.
> > 
> > OK Deleted from web page & aliases & newaliases has been run.
> > You postmaster@freebsd.org will no longer receive bouncing ctm deltas.
> 
> Thank you, I sent an email a while ago to developers@ stating that ctm* mailing
> lists has been decommissioned.

Maybe developers@ is some alias ? Not listed on 
	https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/
	https://lists.freebsd.org/


> I planned to decommission other ctm-* mailing
> lists, but I don't remember who asked me to keep ctm-users.
> > 
> > > >> BTW if CTM lists dont show up on freebsd.org mailman proves nothing 
> > > >> either way,
> > > >> as a long time back (way before freebsd.org started migration from 
> > > >> mailman to whatever),
> > > >> the admins of mailman on freebsd.org made the ctm delta lists hidden, 
> > > >> but they still worked.
> > > 
> > > As far as we're concerned, ctm died with cvs, two revision control 
> > > migrations ago.
> > 
> > Wrong.  Perhaps that mis conception was common & helped discourage
> > CTM. In fact CTM ran fine with SVN for years.  CTM is still generating
> > on all streams that are bled across from git to legacy svn.
> > 
> > Maybe later I or someone else will get time to revise the CTM
> > generator scripts for git.
> > 
> > >  It's a lot cheaper to reject spam directed at its 
> > > corpse with "mailbox doesn't exist" at the gate on mx1 than to let the 
> > > message get as far as mlmmj and reject or bounce it there.
> > 
> > Well you will now only get spam directed at those lists, no real
> > mail fed from ctm delta gnerator scripts, so by all means pipe them
> > at /dev/null or whatever.
> > 
> > Only exceptions:
> > 	ctm-users@ this discussion list to continue please
> > 
> > 	ctm-announce@
> > 		that list is useless & should be closed (if not
> > 		already) Stephen the chief ctm generator had no
> > 		password to announce to it, &/or preferred to use
> > 		ctm-users@ He has retired from ctm, I'm running the
> > 		ctm generator, I too have no password to send
> > 		announcements to ctm-announce@, so it's long been
> > 		useless.
> 
> Yes that was the plan, and you confirm ctm-announce should be decommissioned.

Yes, ctm-announce@ can be decommissioned, thanks,
  ( It won't be needed unless there's a big increase in CTM usage,
  which won't happen unless I or someone else converts ctm scripts
  to use git instead of svn, & may well not be needed even then as
  most people prefer the live Pull model rather than Push deltas by mail . )


> To moderate, you don't need a password anymore.

(Didn't know that, I've only run majordomo & mailman2, not mlmmj )


> but I need the name of the
> moderators. In the mailman setup neither you, nor Stephen were listed in the
> moderators, or not explicitly at least.
> 
> So either I decommission ctm-announce@ or I set you both as moderators. Up to
> you.

Names from ctm-users@ Tue, 13 Apr 2021 cc'd
	Stephen Montgomery-Smith <montgomerysmithstephen@gmail.com>
	"Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com>
(in case you might prefer to first put ctm-announce@ on ice, then delete later)

Cheers,
-- 
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